Filmed in Seinäjoki, Finland, March 6th in the middle of the night. Apparently the wee hours of the morning is the best time to vent power plants, palm factories and steel mills. Who knew.
The YT poster of this video says:
I never believed to hear those voices myself… but last night I did…
Well I think they did. Today they aren’t so sure. They updated the YT description with a “case solved”. A phone call to a local power plant claims they had to release some steam in the middle of the night. Nothing to see here.
This venting explanation is baloney. The regular sound is not a venting factory valve and I will tell you why.
Exhibit A:
The person recording this says the power plant had to vent steam. Look at these videos below of venting power plants. One is coal and the other is nuclear. They sound nothing like these repetitive blasts. I searched to find a factory valve that vents like this and these videos are all I could find.
Exhibit B:
1. No one has ever heard these sounds before and suddenly factories are venting in the middle of the night all around the world.
2. The above video sounds exactly like the Malaysia video. The above video was blamed on a venting power plant and the Malaysia event was blamed on a palm factory. Do venting palm factories and venting power plants sound the same? I doubt it.
3. The above video sounds exactly like the Oshawa event which is unexplained and was attributed to a steel mill venting in the middle of the night. This explanation was offered by a strange person who changed their story several times. The local news redacted their statement about the cause. Does a venting steel mill sound like a venting palm factory and a venting power plant. I doubt it.
So what do we have here in terms of this particular type of sky noise (sky dragon is my term, I made it up as a way to identify it):
1. These sounds occur in the middle of the night from roughly 12:00am to 5:00am in the morning.
2. People that hear it who may live near factories or power plants have never heard it before.
3. These sounds have been recorded since November and we have five examples as of today.
4. They seem to have a direction but not a definite source.
5. They are explained away. See exhibit A and B above.
To really understand the history and analysis of these very important sky events please read the following posts. If you have time that is because there are other posts that update these original articles. Links to:
Malaysia here.
Oshawa here.
Sweden here.
Slovenia here.
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UPDATE 3/8: This one is from Kazakhstan from yesterday. Is it a fake? You tell me. Shot at 5:36am. Are people onto the “venting valve” hoaxery now? Who knows.
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UPDATE 3/8:
From the Scientific Method Man in the comments and my response:
….There has been an increase of videos on this topic on YT lately. This doesn’t automatically mean that they have never been heard before.
–The people recording these types of sounds claim to have never heard it before in all cases.
….I’m not an engineer, but perhaps both plants use the same type of cooling system?
–A palm factory is not a power plant. The local people of the Malaysia event vehemently deny it came from the factory in question.
….I’m not an engineer, but perhaps all three plants use the same type of cooling system?
–You are correct and I can’t prove that. But I suppose common sense says the three things would not relate due to the nature of the product….but then I suppose common sense can be flawed theory and I accept that. Making palm oil is not the same as making nuclear power is it.
….Perhaps a new way of venting their plants has recently been developed which reduces wear and tear significantly. It has been a recent development, so it produces a type of sound that has rarely been heard before. Are you up to date with progress in the world of factories?
–Maybe this is the case. I like this theory, it makes sense. A new form of venting. I’m not up to date nor an engineer.
….What do you think is the explanation for these sounds? Why do you think that your explanation is more plausible than the “venting plant” explanation? You don’t really want to stay at a “this is a strange sound, I don’t believe the ‘official’ explanation’, it must be something mysterious, but we will never know” stage, do you?
–I don’t know the explanation. I’m sure there is an explanation somewhere. Maybe it’s all a coincidence, a new venting system and “official” explanations should be accepted without question. I’m not saying official explanations are conspiracies. I’m saying that the officials may not know and it’s just a guess on their part. People don’t like unexplained things because it’s chaotic. I suppose I could look for heavy scientific essays to support my posts but then we would all be bored (I’m yawning thinking about it). Every time I read an article where some “scientists” claims to know the answer to strange sounds, we see an article refuting that article which is equally nonsensical. I’m like people from Missouri whose state motto is “Show me”.
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MORE AFTER THE JUMP…
What do you think? Based on the similarities are these isolated, coincidental, and common events? or something else. Truly a bizarre sky noise whatever its cause.
The poster will probably remove his video when he sees that I’m contradicting the explanation. Watch it carefully and while you can. There is also the remote possibility this is copied sound from another “sky dragon” video but I doubt it. They updated it with a “case solved”. A hoaxer would never do this. Plus it sounds pretty darn atmospheric and complete with reverberation. I believe its real.
on one hand, if you´re right, it´s this huge worldwide conspiracy in the spirit of “secret bunkers being built all over the world to protect the illuminati from the incoming apocalypse”
on the other hand, maybe looking at paranoid websites all day every day is making your pattern-seeking abilities go nuts.
I don´t mean any disrespect but, witch one is most likely?
there´s been so many types of “mysterious sounds” the only thing linking them I think is paranoia.
In the off-chance there IS this huge apocalyptic event incoming well, you will just die along with everybody else in the planet, wouldn´t time be better spent doing something else?
(Lol, I´m telling myself all this as much as I´m telling you)
I´ve been obsessed about a couple of apocalyptic things before, like in the year 2000, and I obsessed about Nibiru in 2003…I´m not saying this whole sky noise is necessarily nothing important but people that are looking hard at endless streams of data every day, scared, searching for further reason to fear….Well , they tend to find further reason to fear.
None of us can really control the future, and when you step back and thing about it, it does seem pretty darn unlikely that there´s this huge conspiracy aroud like this…How many people would it involve?
There are weird thinigs in this world, maybe some of this noises are caused by changes brought about by global warming, or solar activity. Maybe they have always been there and this is a media fenomenon, not a natural one.
In any case, just venting (get it) some stuff I´ve been thinking about.
Respect
Well I like to keep the posts open ended by not claiming conspiracy. You decide, here are the videos for you to hear and study. I have pointed out why I don’t buy the explanations and I never asked you to agree with me. I have just presented the evidence and furthermore I never said these sounds were apocalyptic or done by the illuminati. We will all be here in 2013. I guarantee it.
I have been enjoying your blog. It is very well presented and offered to those interested without your getting involved in using persuasion to get people to believe a particular slant and that is commendable. However, I must stop and comment after reading your reply to bob above. You said, “We will all be here in 2013. I guarantee it.”
Up until that comment, you were not pushing your beliefs on the reader. But after your “guarantee”, I have to interject and state that your assertion that we will all be here next calendar year (whether or not you made that comment tongue in cheek) is patently false. Now, upon making that conclusion, I am being strict to the reality that some reading this may have passed due to natural causes yet this one simple truth nullifies your “guarantee”.
So, being now free to discuss this enigmatic phenomena without the encumbrance to provide FACTS, I will state my opinion. Having become a truth seeker in the last few years, and having seen and followed the hype about strange sounds coming from the sky and the earth, it is my opinion that these noises are intentional, man made sounds created by the principalities and powers as part of a large scale delusion purposed upon the masses.
I have no facts or evidence to back up my belief except to say that once one puts the pieces of the mystery together, in light of Biblical, Apocryphal and Gnostic texts, it becomes clear that deception is the rule of the age. Having delved into the conspiracies common in this day about the time in which we live, I have come to the conclusion that the shadow government is perpetrating a delusion upon the people in an effort to give credibility to “alien intelligence”.
They have been building upon the mystery of UFO’s for decades and have conditioned, through the media, the entire world to believe in or at least not to doubt the possibility that an alien intelligence has been in contact with the “people of earth” for quite some time and have built this delusion upon this phenomenon. With the sightings and so called “abductions” that have been common in the last few decades, it is natural that the next piece of the mystery be revealed and these noises are the beginning of what they are getting ready to “reveal” to the people about this great mystery.
The fact that people get abducted by these “craft” and are poked and prodded against their wills shows the real identity of who they are. They are demons. Most people that have had an “abduction” experience have, in one way or another, been involved with the Occult giving further evidence that these beings are demonic in nature. If you examine the UFO phenomenon and the idea that they are demons through the lens of Biblical hermeneutics, it becomes clear that UFO’s are going to play a part in the end times deception that is going to be coming upon the earth.
Add in the noises that are being heard and you can almost picture the “mother ship” that came to “abduct” millions of people who while on earth, could be described as “old fashioned” in their beliefs that Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven and that everyone is a sinner in need of the Savior Jesus Christ. These “un-evolved” souls have been taken to a place where they will be instructed in the new age and the truth that they are “little gods” so that they can finish “evolving” into those little gods. They have been removed from the earth because they were a hindrance to the evolution of the rest of society and the real truth could not be revealed until they were taken out of the way.
The real truth is that we are all “gods” and under the tutelage of our new leader, we will learn everything that has been holding us back in the old age and we will live forever after we have finished our “evolution”. This new leader will be irresistible, possibly one of another galaxy (he may claim) but certainly the greatest human that ever lived. He will call for peace on earth and all wars will stop. He will allow the Jewish Temple to be rebuilt during this time and will be considered by the Jews as Jesus Christ Himself. He will be all things to everyone and he will make a covenant with the nation of Israel for 7 years and there will be great peace on earth for three and a half years.
At the end of that time, he will rise up and sit in the seat of Jesus Christ in the temple claiming that he is God and at that time he will break the covenant with Israel and declare war on them. This is the beginning of the Great Tribulation which will culminate with the battle of Armeggedon at which time the REAL TRUTH will be learned that the “old fashioned” people were not abducted and taken to a place to evolve, they were RAPTURED by Jesus Christ Himself and are now coming back with Him on white horses to fight against the beast in the battle of Armeggedon!
The devil and the antichrist will be defeated and will be tied up and thrown into the pit and locked away for 1000 years and after the 1000 years, they will be let out for a while but during the 1000 years, God will rule with His people on earth and His people will rule and reign with Him and be kings and priests. There will be no more war or sickness, people will live for hundreds of years and the knowledge of God will cover the earth like the waters cover the sea. The lion will lay down with the lamb and a weened child will play by the hole of the poisonous snake. No harm will come to God’s children in that time and there shall be peace and safety everywhere.
Now, back to the noises. I am not afraid of those noises. I am more ANXIOUS about them than anything because many unexplainable things are going to be happening soon but I know the explanation. Don’t be deceived. This is the Truth and this is how it will happen. Don’t follow the new leader after this happens, he will lead you to Hell. Don’t take his mark IN your forehead or your right hand (or arm) (Revelation 13:16) because it will be impossible to get into the kingdom of Heaven if you do. Read the Bible. The King James Authorized Version. (all others are PER versions) Do your homework. Get saved by inviting Jesus Christ to live in your heart by accepting the sacrifice He made at Calvary for the forgiveness of your sins.
Confess them with your heart and you will be saved. Time is so very short. This is all true and it is really happening and we get front row seats in history to see it! Don’t see it from the earth. See it from the arms of Jesus Christ! Father, I pray in Jesus name that these words be read and understood by the readers and that some might accept you even in the short amount of time that is left and that your kingdom will be full and that the fullness of the Gentiles come in quickly. Amen.
Hi,
First, thank you for those great reports.
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About those ‘dragon sounds’ :
I got a friend who did visit active volcanoes last year in indonesia and he made a video, i ll ask him to share it and i ll post the link, but it s exactly the same sound he caught on video. The sound of earth breathing, you know when magma climb and go down. but there s no direct volcano link with those place
I dunno about the “factories venting in the middle of the night” scenario by the YT person. The clips of the ventings shown (of factories) feature a continuous venting and consequently a continuous sound, while the ‘sky dragon’ sounds are more intermittent, though I could be wrong about that.
I personally don’t attribute a conspiracy behind these sound anomalies at all, or an apocalypse. But these sounds are something out of the norm, and as we humans generally want to know the “why” of things, of course we are curious to want to know more about these sounds. If I may be allowed to say that we humans are “wired” to want to know the meanings of things, I think that this is how God designed us. We are curious creatures, and these strange sounds are VERY curious indeed. I’m grateful for this website.
I have lived near a nuclear power plant facility for 30 years..never ever in my life heard such a weird sound of steam venting.
UFO’s they call it whether balloon..If at night they cal if Chinese lantern
UFO abduction …Hallucination
Strange Sounds —-Palm oil, Construction, Nuclear , Steam and the list goes on…
We may never know the truth untill we are on it on our own…The authorities are more into saving their jobs then knowing the real truth
Your methodology to figure out these sounds is somewhat flawed. Here, we have a recording of a strange sound. A call to a local industrial site implies that a possible explanation for this sound is a special procedure performed at that site. So far, so good.
Now, if you want to verify whether this is the correct explanation, it is completely pointless to search the internet for sound recordigns of other industrial sites, and compare them to the present recording. You simply cannot expect all venting noises to sound the same. Period.
Just imagine the following scenario: You’re on holiday in a foreign country and see a strange-looking building. You take a photo, and ask the locals what this building is. They say it’s a chemical plant that produces fertilizers. For some reason, you don’t believe them, and search the internet for images for this type of industrial site. There are two possible outcomes. Either, you are successful, and find pictures from other buildings that look like your photo and can be positively identified as fertilizer production sites. Case solved. Second, you DO NOT come up with a match. Then you have shown — nothing. Nothing at all. Just because there’s no other picture that resembles your photo doesn’t mean that the locals were lying.
My previous comment addressed your “Exhibit A”. Now, to Exhibit B:
“1. No one has ever heard these sounds before and suddenly factories are venting in the middle of the night all around the world.”
We don’t know this. There has been an increase of videos on this topic on YT lately. This doesn’t automatically mean that they have never been heard before. It might mean that, but this is not a given.
“2. The above video sounds exactly like the Malaysia video. The above video was blamed on a venting power plant and the Malaysia event was blamed on a palm factory. Do venting palm factories and venting power plants sound the same? I doubt it.”
Why not? I’m not an engineer, but perhaps both plants use the same type of cooling system?
“3. The above video sounds exactly like the Oshawa event which is unexplained and was attributed to a steel mill venting in the middle of the night. This explanation was offered by a strange person who changed their story several times. The local news redacted their statement about the cause. Does a venting steel mill sound like a venting palm factory and a venting power plant. I doubt it.”
Why not? I’m not an engineer, but perhaps all three plants use the same type of cooling system?
Perhaps a new way of venting their plants has recently been developed which reduces wear and tear significantly. It has been a recent development, so it produces a type of sound that has rarely been heard before. Are you up to date with progress in the world of factories?
I am not. But I cannot see anything that hints at something funny going on here. In a way, you chicken out by claiming that you’re just reporting the facts, and let your readers decide. You are selective in your choice of facts, and thus steer your readers in a certain direction — without stating what this direction is.
Tell me. What do you think is the explanation for these sounds? Why do you think that your explanation is more plausible than the “venting plant” explanation? You don’t really want to stay at a “this is a strange sound, I don’t believe the ‘official’ explanation’, it must be something mysterious, but we will never know” stage, do you?
Amazing work as usual, Jay Man. And an especially great find with the Kazakhstan video! Only 23 views on YT as of now, with hardly any tags. Your work continues to impress.
Thanks Bobby!
@Scientific Man Method
“We don’t know this. There has been an increase of videos on this topic on YT lately. This doesn’t automatically mean that they have never been heard before. It might mean that, but this is not a given.”
- That is correct from one point of view. On the other hand YT and reporting of strange events is not a new thing and if such sounds were heard even a couple of years ago there should have been some reports. But there aren’t.
Furthermore, similar isolated reports of unusual sounds do exist from as back in the past as 1851 but all of them marked also as unusual, strange, unearthy, etc. Not to mention that back then power plants and steam pumps were probably science fiction items.
“Why not? I’m not an engineer, but perhaps both plants use the same type of cooling system?”
- Well I’m an engineer. And the above statement is false for a number of reasons that have to do with the nature of the plants, their power needs/output, their creation date, their location, the surrounding environment, etc.
Apart from that, doing steam pumping in the middle of the night is not a common practice and it would be only in the case of an emergency, not for scheduled maintenance. Most countries also have laws forbitting noisy operations during night hours for obvious reasons.
“Why not? I’m not an engineer, but perhaps all three plants use the same type of cooling system?”
- Same as above with even lower probability.
“Perhaps a new way of venting their plants has recently been developed which reduces wear and tear significantly. It has been a recent development, so it produces a type of sound that has rarely been heard before. Are you up to date with progress in the world of factories?”
- Perhaps the birds started farting in unusual ways but it’s highly unlikely… even more unlikely is the possibility of three different type plants changing their steam pumps at the same time to a new design (although there is no new design for these things) and all of them to have an emergency steam release within a month or so..
“But I cannot see anything that hints at something funny going on here. In a way, you chicken out by claiming that you’re just reporting the facts, and let your readers decide. You are selective in your choice of facts, and thus steer your readers in a certain direction — without stating what this direction is.”
- I believe that you’re becoming unfair to Jay Man at this point and that you haven’t seen the blog in details, you better research it a bit more before you come up with such a statement my friend.
I also believe that your nickname speaks volumes about the idea you have and want to spread about yourself, and it is probably the idea of an “intellectual skeptic” in a mission to save the world from the conspiracy theorists. I hope I’m mistaken on that..
But anyway, since you ask for some other possible explanation for the sounds I’ll give you one. Today we have another large Solar storm. And there are several very credible studies relating higher atmoshperic electric activity and sound phenomena.
Also the fact that most of these sounds occur in the night points to electric activity in the upper atmosphere and that is because the main path of electromagnetic energy to the atmoshpere is from the dark side of the Earth and the trailing plasmoid of our magnetoshpere where “magnetic reconnection” occurs (I use quotes because the term is wrong for reasons beyond the scope of this conversation. What we call “magnetic reconnection” is practically release of electromagnetic energy due to some brakedown, and this energy returns to earth by following our magnetic field)
Good to hear from you! You are right! There have been big CMEs. Especially last night I do believe. From Nasa
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLq5oW28glw&w=640&h=360%5D
I’m a bit busy latetly but I follow your posts mate. Do you remember if there were similar CMEs before/after the previous sounds?
Maybe there is a correlation over here…
“That is correct from one point of view. On the other hand YT and reporting of strange events is not a new thing and if such sounds were heard even a couple of years ago there should have been some reports. But there aren’t.”
Well, there were no pictures of LOLcats up until they started to become popular. After that, the number of pictures you would find on the Internet increased. By orders of magnitudes.
“Furthermore, similar isolated reports of unusual sounds do exist from as back in the past as 1851 but all of them marked also as unusual, strange, unearthy, etc. Not to mention that back then power plants and steam pumps were probably science fiction items.”
Fair enough. But isn’t that a bit contradictory to the alledged recent increase of sight- err.. hearings?
“ ‘Why not? I’m not an engineer, but perhaps all three plants use the same type of cooling system?’
Same as above with even lower probability.”
Very true. I made that explanation up on the spot to illustrate that there is a zillion number of explanations that should be considered.
“I believe that you’re becoming unfair to Jay Man at this point and that you haven’t seen the blog in details, you better research it a bit more before you come up with such a statement my friend.”
Well, what Jay Man is good at is documenting cases. However, he is connecting them in a way leads directly to the choice of my nickname…
“I also believe that your nickname speaks volumes about the idea you have and want to spread about yourself”
I can’t deny that I’m convinced that the scientific method is a very successful and reliable way of gaining knowledge about phenomena. If you’re an engineer, you will probably agree on that.
I do critizice Jay Man’s method, which you seem to consider unfair. Let’s take this statement the last post to illustrate what I see wrong with his method:
“Since this is the fourth incident of ‘sky dragons’ I think we can safely assume this type of sky noise is real and not factory valves.”
This conclusion is, well, faulty. The only thing we can safely assume is that there are (at the time of writing) four different YouTube videos in which rather similar sounds can be heard.
Why do I challenge the reality of sky noises? Well, I don’t claim that they are not real. But given that it is so incredibly easy to forge such a recording and upload it to YT, we cannot use this medium to verify the reality of the sounds, because we cannot validate the medium itself.
True, Jay Man attempts to counter this by looking for “twins”, which is a laudable attempt to counter the inherent weakness of YT as evidence. However, it is extremely difficult to ensure that even “twins” are not fakes. If I was to stage, for instance, some UFO incident, I would definitely use several different YouTube accounts to which I would upload recordings of the same computer-generated scene, with different recording equiment, of course, and backdrops from different locations.
I’m not claiming that all the videos you find on YouTube are forgeries. Some of them have been shown to be, because one and the same audio recording could be found in several videos taken from alledgedly very different occasions. The thing is: unless the faker makes serious mistakes, chances are so high that we cannot prove YT videos to be fake.
This is an unfortunate state of affairs, but we have to accept that. YouTube videos are not a reliable source of information, unless triangulated by independent sources that are not tainted by a similar ease of forgery. Alas, this excludes basically all Internet sources that publish user-generated content.
The second point is that even if we could be sure that the videos are not fake, we still don’t have evidence that they are not factory sounds. Just because the explanation doesn’t sound convincing we don’t know yet that it is wrong. This is not how research works.
What we would have to do is make a prediction when the sound should occur, ensure that there are no invalidating influences, and then see whether we encounter the sound. So, if somebody claims that the strange sound was produced by a factory vault in a specific production step, venting or whatever, the sound should occur the next time that procedure is repeated, given comparable environmental conditions (such as weather, ambient noise).
If it does occur, it is quite likely that this is a good explanation.
If it does not occur, and if we can be sure that there were no invalidating influences, we can conclude that the explanation is probably not a good one.
The problem is, of course, that we can’t test these predictions. We don’t have access to the necessary information, based on YT videos alone. None of us wants to travel to the Finland and discuss this issue with the plant managers. But unless anybody comes up with a better way of testing the plant hypothesis, we can’t dismiss it.
“and it is probably the idea of an ‘intellectual skeptic’ in a mission to save the world from the conspiracy theorists. I hope I’m mistaken on that..
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You are. I would be fighting a lost case.
“But anyway, since you ask for some other possible explanation for the sounds I’ll give you one. Today we have another large Solar storm. And there are several very credible studies relating higher atmoshperic electric activity and sound phenomena.”
The point about the solar storm is true, and this proposes a new hypothesis, one that is, in principle, testable. But not on the basis of an increase of YouTube videos. You’re right, of course, about the influence of solar storms on the magnetic field of the Earht, which results, for instance in increased frequencies of northern lights. There is, to my knowledge, no known connection between solar storms and audible phenomena, though, but I’d happly accept to learn that I’m wrong in this point.
However, if there is a connection between the observed increase of “strange sound” videos and the current solar storm (which I consider not overly likely, given that the videos predate the current storm by months, which seems to exclude the sun as the source of the noises), there should be a similar increase of recordings aligned with other, earlier solar storms. Well, as YouTube isn’t old enough to go back 11 years, this isn’t easy — even if we could trust YouTube videos.
So, what this all boils down to is the following. First, it is nearly impossible to gain knowledge about the world by analysing YouTube videos. Second, if you want to ignore this point, you have to be utterly careful in your argumentation. You can speculate to your heart’s desire, but be aware that you haven’t developed a methodology yet that allows you to verify your hypotheses.
It is perhaps dissatisfying, but we simply can’t “safely assume”.
Having said all this, I do acknowledge your sincere motives behind your efforts, Jay Man. But you need to be aware of the severe limitations of what you can do apart from documenting what is published on YouTube.
Thanks so much for this critique and I realize that hard as I try I can’t keep from sometimes jumping to conclusions about something being unexplained. I welcome your comments and take them to heart.
Since I have neither the time nor resources to do a thorough investigation I take these videos as presented.
I give many reasons why I think we can “safely assume” something. I suppose I could just post the videos and not comment but I like guessing and invite you to do the same. I have absolutely no proof that any are real but does that mean we shouldn’t discuss them.
The question is, am I being irresponsible in presenting and discussing these videos as if they are real. Is there harm in believing they are real and acting as if they are. Do people take this blog and what I say as proof they are real. I feel guilty at times and fear that they upset people. I too am upset by them and that’s why I write about them. I feel compelled to constantly explain myself through my “Strange Notions” posts.
Most of my posts are conjecture and not fact. Perhaps it is wrong to discuss things that can’t be proven.
it is Never wrong to discuss anything, proven or not, Jay Man. You are doing a great job, and have steered clear of any type of conspiratorial ideologies, in my opinion. To answer Panos’ question: I have been keeping up with the solar flares and CME’s, and they have in fact occurred in conjunction with “strange sounds” in several cases, and specifically in the last two posts. I think this is a very plausible theory which could be applied to several of the videos, and neither apocalyptic nor conspiratorial. Note that I did say theory. Also, for the record, I live very close to a poultry processing factory; when I first moved in to this house I was perplexed by a strange sound in the early hours of the night which was both loud and somewhat haunting. In a matter of a couple of minutes, I was able to pinpoint the cause of the sound and my curiosity/concern was dispelled. (There is one recent video which is has a loud sound in broad daylight; you can see a similar factory silo in the background. I think this is the culprit of this particular sound, because it sounds exactly like my chicken plant.) Since then, every time I hear this sound, I know exactly what is causing it, and no need to investigate. What I am trying to say is that most humans with properly functioning eyes, ears, and brains can pinpoint the location of an unfamiliar sound in their proximity and deduce its source/cause with common sense. And human adaptation to environmental sounds is amazing; it’s why people can sleep soundly living next to train tracks after only a couple of weeks or months. Their brains can identify the sound subconciously and not wake the person up! But the average person can tell when the noise isn’t from their local trainyard, airport, factory, etc. Disregarding hoaxers, that’s why people whip out the cameras and try to record it. Most people WANT to know what these unfamiliar sounds are. Most people don’t WANT to be scared or confused. Okay, I’ve rambled enough, these are some of the things that have been on MY mind recently. Kudos to Jay man for his research, and double kudos for debunking frauds and hoaxes. The real bottom line is that as of now, no one knows what ALL of these strange sounds are. And I think that’s okay, as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. Sure, I would love to know, whatever the answer may be, but I don’t mind a little mystery in my world, either.
“Since I have neither the time nor resources to do a thorough investigation I take these videos as presented.”
Of course not — and you aren’t to be critizised for that.
“The question is, am I being irresponsible in presenting and discussing these videos as if they are real. Is there harm in believing they are real and acting as if they are. Do people take this blog and what I say as proof they are real.”
I’m glad to hear in a way that you are worried about this issue. As I said above, I do not doubt your sincerity, and this is another sign of it.
Yet, I’m afraid that this is exactly the case. In fact, I found your site via links on some apocalyptic websites. And this is why I felt compelled to jump in after reading a couple of your posts. Your approach seems scientific at first glance, which appears to give your conclusions more weight in the eyes of some unscientific readers. Apparently, your site is used already now as a sort of valid reference: “Look at strangesoundsinthesky dot com if you don’t believe that something VERY strange is going on. It’s amazing what amount of EVIDENCE that guy has collected.” This is not a literal quote, but this is the spirit of the context in which I was referred to your page.
“Most of my posts are conjecture and not fact. Perhaps it is wrong to discuss things that can’t be proven.”
I don’t think it’s wrong to speculate, after all, it’s an interesting way to spend your time to think about things that are out of our grasp. But — and this is a big ‘but’ — some readers fail to see that virtually everything you post here is not facts but conjecture.
One aspect of scientific reasoning is you usually assess the possiblity of competing explanations. As long as you do not have firm evidence which explanation is true, scientists tend to prefer that explanation which requires the lowest amount of unproven, big assumptions. Let’s take Panos’ hypothesis about solar storms as example (a), and compare it to other, competing hypotheses: the hypothesis that the “sky dragon” sounds are created by a creature (b), the hypothesis that they are created by factories (c), the hypothesis that they are created by angels of the apocalypse (d), the hypothesis that the majority of videos are fakes (e).
(c) simply assumes that there is an industrial process that produces this sound. Given that there are so many plants and so many processes, this is not a big assumption, even if we have to concede that it is not too likely that the same sound is produced by quite different plants, as Panos has correctly pointed out above.
(a) assumes that solar activity produces audible sounds that are similar to the sounds heard in the recordings. I can’t really assess to which extent this assumption is far-fetched, but it seems thinkable to me.
(b) assumes that there is a creature that exists in very different habitats (Slovenia, Finland, Malaysia), but it also assumes that this creature is capable of producing sounds loud enough to be heard over quite some distance, and without clearly identifiable direction. While, for instance, some birds do produce sounds that carry over miles, the type of sounds birds produce are very, very different from the noisy, turbulent sound that you describe as “sky dragon sounds”. Thus, (b) assumes that this animal has to be very big, because it has to be able to produce a very high pressure to create this type of turbulent sound.
(d) is a tricky one, because it refers to religious concepts that are founded in belief. Belief is difficult to approach scientifically. But let’s see what we have to assume (or believe in) for this hypothesis: that the End of Days is coming, that angels (immortal, divine beings) exist, that they are charged with the duty to herald the End of Days, that they have chosen to produce sounds that appear to be confuse to human beings as signals of warning.
(e) assumes that there are people who like to deceive others, and that it is possible to fake these videos.
Thinking about these different hypotheses in this way does not prove any of them wrong. None of the assumptions is impossible. But some assumptions are more demanding than others, some of them are more plausible than others. Some assumptions are so well-proven that we can take them as a given.
This is why I, while in theory not dismissing any of these hypotheses, have strong sympathies for explanations like (a) solar storms and (c) industrial noises, because they are much in line with so much of what we know about the world. (e) is also a very strong contender for the same reason, if not more so — in a digital age where sound and video editing is available to everybody, digital videos have lost almost all credibility. The assumptions necessary for (b) giant creature and (d) angels of the Apocalypse are, well, somewhat difficult. (b)’s assumptions are at least in correspondence with physical principles, which is not the case with (d).
I think I forgot to mention the point of my whole rambling. In sum, I consider it misleading if all kinds of explanations are presented, invited and welcomed without assessing their plausibility. My point is: a rigorous methodology leaves little room for mystery, and perhaps this should be clearly, unambiguously stated if you want to avoid that your website is misused as alledged evidence for the mysterious.
@Science Method Man
“I can’t deny that I’m convinced that the scientific method is a very successful and reliable way of gaining knowledge about phenomena. If you’re an engineer, you will probably agree on that.”
I am an engineer my friend, not a scientist and there is a very significant difference between engineers and scientists.
Scientists built things in order to learn, while engineers learn in order to built.
The scientific method is the proven way for science to progress but you’re not applying the scientific method in your logic over. You just apply common reasoning and logic rules (that are part of the evaluation step of the scientific method, but not the method itself)
I do not disagree with your reasoning, what i disagree with is your impression that Jay Man is suggesting something or that he has a purpose other than just collecting and categorizing these events. He most definitely has an opinion, everybody does, but this doesn’t mean that he suggests something. You have an opinion too, don’t you?
I also believe that your way of applying reason is a bit overkill for this place because if we follow your approach then obviously nothing is 100% sure and there is no safe conclusion, thus we should not move into even suggesting something.
But the main objective of a blog is for people to express themselves, through ideas and information on the table and let anyone draw his/her own conclusion according to his/her reasoning and experience. Blogs are by definition an ongoing workshop of ideas and information, not a scientific comity. And in such an environment it is absolutely normal to hear ideas spanning from the most ridiculous to the most serious. You should have known that i believe.
“Thinking about these different hypotheses in this way does not prove any of them wrong. None of the assumptions is impossible. But some assumptions are more demanding than others, some of them are more plausible than others. Some assumptions are so well-proven that we can take them as a given.”
I couldn’t agree more BUT i will add something to your statement. There are a lot of things that we consider as “a given” and they are practically just very wild assumptions my friend. In fact, most of today’s astrophysics and theoretical physics are falling in this category of wild assumptions and most people are completely unaware of that because theories are presented as facts while they are not.
So every Theory you make is as strong as your initial Hypothesis (since you like the scientific method, you probably know that Hypothesis is your initial proven base, and Theory your suggestion on the solution to the problem) and most of our Hypothesis are still just unproven theories themselves leading to a very weak chain of assumption that their only true part is the initial observation and nothing else.
So if we want to stick strictly to the scientific method, science should had stopped theorizing a bit after 1905. Do you get my point?
Now for showing you why i find your approach to reasoning against an event as an overkill, i will make a comment on the next blog post called “Egg in my face” about the venting of steam in Slovenia. Not because I disagree to the fact but because i want to show you that your approach can work the other way around and lead to questioning everything just for the shake of questioning them. Check the next blog post for my comment and nice talking with you.
about the steam venting idea. high pressure steam being forced out of a small valve will sound the same no mater what type of power plant or factory it is. it sounds like a jet engine roaring. It would be constant not pulsating. steam venting is not something that happens every 100 years or so. more then likely they do it at least once a year. so why are people recording this and putting it on youtube? if they have lived in that area for a while they would be used to it. all they would have to do is ask around you know, hey what the hell was that sound last night? oh just the power plant. oh ok. industrial plants are not exactly secretive about things. the pulsing gets me, it doesn’t make sense. but if thats all this is then the people are just after youtube hits. yeah.
Thank you for your research, and comments. It is important to examine all possibilities.. that is true science. Somewhere in those possibilities is truth, and usually the first one is correct.
jcknight
I’m a sound engineer by trade. I work in the music industry for live shows and studio recording. I have a lot of thoughts about these sounds that do not seem to be addressed on forums and blogs, and so far I haven’t seen any professional “sound” experts addressing these strange SOUNDS. There are scientist dealing with geology, weather, the atmosphere, air planes, industry, but very few people (even “scientists”) have been trained to use their ears to tear a sound apart and figure out what’s really going on. A good “sound guy” can pull apart a sound into frequencies and even pinpoint the length of the sound waves fairly accurately, with no equipment because of their experience with sounds. Different frequencies have MUCH different properties and react MUCH differently depending on the environment, something that cannot be acurately generalized, you have to come up with these figures live, in person, on a case by case basis. This is how we set the EQ on a sound board, by isolating certain frequencies, eliminating or strengthening them, to get the sound we want. When non-trained people listen to sound they describe what they hear very differently than professional engineers would. They talk about hissing and humming and shaking and booming when an engineer would talk about high, mid and low frequencies, pitch, etc. They say something is “loud” when what they’re hearing has nothing to do with the actual volume at all.
I’ve listened to a lot of these “sky roar” videos and unfortunately, it’s just like listening to a concert on video, you can’t pull the sound apart acurately enough to learn anything about what you are hearing. Camcorder microphones are just not built to convey this, they automatically compress and filter sounds to work best with the recording format, making them great for home movies but useless for any of this… and don’t get me started on cell phone mics!
OPINION 1: The only way to learn anything about these sounds is in real life, as they happen, not by using video, and unfortunately, despite all of the reports and video footage, these events ARE EXTREMELY UNCOMMON.
OPINION 2: The TYPES of sounds on these vidios are far too common to jump to the conclusion that they are anything other than misidentified or unrecognized, naturally occuring sounds. Once I started listening to the videos I could hear these same things all around me; hand dryers in the restroom, the cold air return in my living room, my naighbors water pipes, tv soundtracks, feedback, tires on the highway, shopping carts, etc etc etc. While these may not normally happen at night, loudly, seemingly from the sky, they are sounds (frequencies, textures, etc) that we can encounter, examine and manipulate on a day to day basis. People say these sound a lot like the War of the Worlds movie or Cloverfield monster… well, the engineers for those movies got those sounds from someplace, didn’t they?!?! While the scenario is strange, the sounds themselves are not.
OPINION 3: When you watch an old king fu movie you know the audio has been faked, because it doesn’t align with what you are seeing. Therefore, to disguise a fake sound all you have to do is make sure it doesn’t conflict with what you see… meaning that the easiest hoax to create would be a video with a strange back ground noise (i.e. footage of random clouds or buildings with some sound coming from “the sky” or “off in the distance”), especially if any telltale sign of manipulation can also be interpreted as PART of the weird sound (static, hissing, popping, etc.) A video may capture the sound of Big Foot howling out in the woods, but it would be a different story if the vodeo showed a guy dressed as big foot standing out in the woods howling, because we would have a visual to work with, which is a lot better when working with video.
I’m not saying all of these videos are fake, but I am saying that it’s the first criticism that each one should face. While nothing in the video CONTRADICTS what we are hearing, is there anything in the video that would SUPPORT it? Anything supporting it that cannot be faked as easily as the sound it’s self? All questions that a skeptical (scientific) mind should be asking!
I believe some folks are actually hearing sounds they cannot explain. They are rational, intelligent people with no reason to make anything up. They hear something weird and grab a camera to document it. At the same time, there are a LOT MORE people who capitalize on this for profit or just for fun and it becomes nearly impossible to sort the actual evidence from the trash
If you truly want the facts. Give this a chance. I know the only thing that can make that noise in an on-going manner is,.. HAARP. It’s a government project with many uses. It can make low and powerful enough sound to rumble the earth. I’m not going to try to explain all about it here but, it has a world-wide reach and can be used as a weapon to shake the earth and expose dormant volcano’s or cause earth quakes. HAARP is also being used to control the weather. PLEASE do not discount this message. I have been looking into this for years and I’m one hundred percent correct about HAARP. It’s located in Alaska. The web site is: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu. Go to Google earth and see. This program is being used in conjunction with another government project, lovingly known by those that know as, CHEMTRAILS. Just look it up. Everyone must know that airplane contrails evaporate quickly. The chemical clouds last as long as a day and spreed out into a thin layer of haze. These man made clouds can harm your family. Take the time to get the truth. There’s truth by people that know, on the web and junk by crack-pots. Don’t let the hunt for truth be obscured by noise of these nut-cases. The government will not say what it’s all for or even if it’s true. We all know they’ve covered-up other projects and these are no exceptions. Get the Facts, take the time, then spread the word. If you think this is a joke you are wrong. Don’t like being told you are wrong. Prove me wrong.
Note: in other post’s, about this subject I spelled the word HAARP wrong. I have it as HARRP please be excuse. I will try to correct as soon as possible.
You will find the HAARP site does not talk about the booming sounds. Only that it’s a project to study ionospheric Physics and Radio Science. This is a true statement but, it just touches the surface. Do your homework people, I have. Another fact is Russia has its own system as well as other countries. Time to Google your way to the facts.
Maybe the ancient aliens are behind the HAARP weapon!?!?
Ryan I understand this seem off the wall but, you have to do your homework. Everything I said is true and when you take the time to investigate, the facts will show up. Go outside on most any day look for the triails. They may not be in your area but I expect you will discover the chemtrails are true for yourself. Good luck and Be well.
Did you look for the haarp site. Its real.
Bruce, the ancient aliens from Nibiru contacted me with their mind powers list night. They told me it IS true! They are using HAARP to blow the Trumpets of Doom and the U.S. military is trying to cover it up so we don’t discover the underground bunkers of the Illuminati! How could I have been so blind?!?!?
…oh, and I also saw a leprechaun.