UPDATE 1/26: Cashcleaner has filmed what he believes to be the sources. We can’t blame or name any company regardless of the witness, let’s not forget that we have no conclusive evidence that any company was involved…and I don’t want to go there. We need an official statement from any source. Until then, be very careful in your speculation. We can only state what we know. FACT 1: there are witnesses with videos. FACT 2: there are comments posted from witnesses. FACT 3: a news writeup that was changed. We need to be clear that Cashcleaner is claiming to have heard the sound from a particular direction, which could be the sky, and not a conclusive source.
I’m advised not to embed this video. You can see the video here.
From the YT description:
So basically, this is where the sound we all heard Monday morning likely originated. The steel mill itself is located to the immediate NORTH of the gas facility, but please excuse my mistake for thinking the noise was from there and not this rather new-looking (notice the distinct lack of rusted or chipped paint on the cylinders and framework) gas plant. Also, you may notice a very large exhaust port in the middle of the complex. Could that have been the valve that blew?
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UPDATE 1/25: Okay now it’s getting strange. There is no APCL plant in Oshawa. From the comments:
I’m sorry but I don’t buy this. For starters, I heard the noise myself from a location very close to Gerdau (less than a km). The sound was loud and could be heard over the traffic on the 401, but it was not overwhelmingly loud. How could it be possible for the sound to be heard in north and east Oshawa from a plant so far away? There is no APCL (Air products of Canada Ltd) plant in the area or close to Gerdau. The closest APCL plant is in Mississauga. By the way, I heard this sound myself and from a location close to Gerdau. It was loud, but not deafening. So how do you or anyone else explain how the sound was heard in east or north Oshawa?—Brad, (see comments in this post)
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Captured at 4am in Oshawa, Ontario, January 23rd. Below is the best one, but this was caught on film by three other witnesses. This is no fakery.
Normally when two different witness videos with the same sound, location or date show up on Youtube I call them “twins”. In this case we have “quadruplets”. This is certainly not a fake, but is it unexplainable? The links to the other three are here, here and here.
Something weird is going on here because when I went to this link (here) earlier, the official explanation was that it was a venting valve at an oxygen factory.
This is what was there before:
A number of Durham residents were questioning a strange noise Monday morning. An open relief valve at the recently established Air Products oxygen plant is blamed for creating a loud whirring noise, comparable to the sound of a wind turbine. The issue was resolved shortly after 5:00 am. Officials had initially reported the sound was coming from Gerdau in Whitby, but it was revealed later a neighboring facility was the source of the noise.
They have now rewritten it to this:
A number of Durham residents were questioning a strange noise Monday morning. People reported hearing a wave or wind turbine kind of sound that was very loud. Although several possible explanations have been explored, nothing has been presented that’s able to point to an official cause for the noise. The noise was heard sometime around 4:00 am and was recorded by several people.
Why did they change this? Something is fishy here. MORE AFTER THE JUMP…
The plot thickens. A Youtube user named cashcleaner claims that he tracked the sound. He says:
I actually took the time to investigate the source of the sound and after an hour or so of driving around the south ends of Oshawa and Whitby and taking recordings, I was able to pinpoint the source to be the Gerdau Steel Mill located on Hopkins Street, south of the 401 in Whitby. When I got out of the car at the gates of the mill, the noise was incredibly loud, but definitely coming from inside the plant’s main building.
Not sure I buy this. The sound in the video is no louder than the “snoring sound” recorded in the other videos. Also I have no idea what he filmed but it doesn’t look like the front of a factory building. I’ve read some of the comments and people say it was heard all the way to Hamilton which is an hour and half away.
This brings us right back to Malaysia and Sweden. The sound is the same. I won’t even do a believability scale for this. It clearly happened.
AND Oh My God, sky noises made the CTV News in Canada. I couldn’t embed this but the link is here.
Be sure to check out the expert explanation:
University of Saskatchewan professor Jean-Pierre St. Maurice says there is a natural explanation. “Somehow they are picking up noise from an electrical antenna that is there. That is electromagnetic noise.” St. Maurice says its normal and there is nothing to worry about. Whether a scientific explanation will satisfy all the people who heard something they can’t explain is up in the air.
It’s normal?! Maybe in an alternate universe.
Jean-Pierre St. Maurice is out of his mind if he thinks the Aura is causing these noises. Natural my posterior! (no insult intended).
Sounds like a 3000 foot monster breathing heavy, coming to destroy a town.
It’s more than likely a venting valve at a factory.
There is a blurb on our local news channel – CHEK News – from Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada.
‘First came the rainstorm, followed by the snowstorm and windstorm. Now there’s a solar storm to be concerned about. Bruce Kirkpatrick reports.’
It all seems to tie in to (among other things) the earths poles and the universal affect on our small planet.
http://video.cheknews.ca/services/player/bcpid1163895202001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAA4mHNTzE~,ejlzBnGUUKYsSfyWUqWNgSfdmpadk3-L&bctid=1412467491001
Great info!
This sound phenomenon is awesome; terrifying, but awesome. A few years ago here in Central Texas I experienced a rumbling that shook my entire house. The sound was so loud too. My younger sister and I thought the world was ending. It turns out it was Spacex, a rocket engine facility, testing a new engine about thirty minutes away. The news teams around the area received hundreds of calls about the apocalyptic noise, and Spacex confirmed it was them. Because of that incident, they (Spacex) have to report to the authorities so public alerts can be sent out before any test is done.
However, ever since I was about eight, I’ve noticed a recurring rumbling sound. It’s like bombs going off one after another. It’s not too terribly loud, but very noticeable. My dad always told me it was Fort Hood field testing bombs, and I think that’s plausible. I just don’t know though.
Interesting, there are so many things I can ask about this.
For starters, I find it quite odd that someone would drive near the source of the sound in order to fake a debunk. The lights in the debunk video in my opinion do resemble the outsides of a plant at night time from a distance, (well at least some that I have seen). Furthermore, at one point it seems it was reported as Jay Man states that the sound was indeed originating from said plant.
Yet, shortly after the source that reported on this changed the story from it being confirmed to it being unknown as to what the source was (smells like a change in story to gather more interest kind of thing to me, however it is way to early for that kind of assumption).
Now, I would not doubt at all that people in this area actually heard this noise, the reality of the noise is definite. In terms of the sound traveling to distances that people 30 miles away could here, well that I cannot say for absolution, which is one of the confusing factors about this, HOWEVER, I do not doubt the ability of how far sound can travel my friends (as seen in this example here; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4521232.stm). Thus being, I do not think we should rule out the possibility that the sounds could have traveled that far just yet, especially if it was as loud as the person who uploaded the original debunk video claims it to be.
As for the last two videos in comparison to these, well to save my fingers some typing, my first question about those two remain the same and lead to a new question. Why are the sounds in the older videos lacking any form of echo as the sounds in the ones in Oshawa? I would figure that if a sound were heard outside, echo would be a major factor and would actually sound like it came from an open space. Those two always sounded like they were inside or something, not that I am saying that they did not happen, it just struck me as odd.
Just some things to consider.
It’s true Anon that the Malaysia one doesn’t have the echo and I always felt that it was a bit off. But it was reported and recorded by many people and has even prompted a government investigation. The Swedish one sounds atmospheric to me. The main thing that interests me is that they do sound alike.
Echos are subject to the environment. If you have a mountain area with valleys, or many large buildings, or clouds you may have an echo. If there are no clouds and you’re in an open ground you will not have echo.
Not sure why cashmachine would do that. You have to admit it sounds no louder. Why then was the “official” information retracted.
That is the most interesting part, for obviously none of us will have access to those sort of answers unless a reason for the official retraction is provided.
Perhaps the source where the information was originally provided could give us a reason for why they retracted their statement?
I’m from Brazil. State Parana, Curitiba city, neighborhood Pinheirinho, and I swear I heard this noise in 2011. Identical to this one. Amazing that. I’m across the world and witnessed these sounds. I did not record because when I heard it, I had never seen any news about it, but this is scaring me, because it is the same sound, and I’ve heard in several videos.
I believe not score if you do not hear. But tell me, how does one make that up, and put the same sound I heard??
So I say, who does not believe, are the people who have not heard. All this makes me wonder, what is it? What are these sounds??
Are we very close to revealing something for humanity?
you heard this same sound? The snoring in this video? or the droning in the NRW Germany video. Because you posted the exact same comment for both videos – and each video has a different sound.
you obviously copied and pasted – but perhaps you used notepad first to make sure your comment didn’t contain any typos – I’ve done that, and accidentally pasted what you wanted to say on the wrong thread, then pasted it to the correct thread. You should clarify exactly WHICH video has the “same sound”
but — your last sentance tells me something else.
@Estefano Dembeyski
Maybe all these sounds are related these 31 events to stirke Earth in 2012:
http://www.heliwave.com/2012.html
Ali Adams
God > infinity
The same sound was heard all over Saskatchewan, too.
I actually got in my car and tracked the sound down. At first I thought the source was the Gerdau Steel Mill in Whitby, but now it seems that there is another building (Air Products plant) adjacent to the south of it and that’s where the valve blew. I drove right up to the gate and when I got out the sound was very loud and definitely coming from inside one of the buildings.
There is no APCL (Air products of Canada Ltd) plant in the area or close to Gerdau. The closet APCL plant is in Mississauga. By the way, I heard this sound myself and from a location close to Gerdau. It was loud, but not deafening. So how do you or anyone else explain how the sound was heard in east or north Oshawa?
just a heads up about this video:
I know there being fake ones doesn´t automatically discredit the whole thing, but there clips were the ones I think started it all no?
I understand you are skeptical because you haven’t heard it… I hope you hear it soon. But I have a feeling you’d still try and say it was fake if you heard it. You’d come up with some explanation about someone walking around your town/city or whatever making this noise up. Think about it… there is lots in this world we don’t know about.
I can tell you this i live in oshawa and me and my girlfriend could hear it from our back door
And what do you think it was?
Im Jon and I’m from Oshawa, Ontario. I heard these sounds last night at the same time everyone else did. I didnt get any footage because I usually never record anything, In my opinion the solar storm gig seems most logical right now, but there was alot of people talking about how it might be HAARP weapons or whatever so I checked out the sound it makes on youtube they sound similar to the sounds I heard last night but not nearly enough to convince me there testing haarps in Oshawa, nor anywhere in Canada, the most logical explanation is the solar storm in my opinion as we stand right now, more to find out soon im staying up till 4 tonight in hope to hear the sound again, who knows?
I heard this noise just before 4:00AM when I brought in the newspaper and let our dog out. I live just north-east of the downtown area of Oshawa. I sent an email to a friend of mine who lives 3 KM north of me to see if she heard it. She messaged me right back and said she had just got in from taking her dogs out and she never heard it. I was still hearing it. She checked again and still nothing up there. Were the Steel Mill and the other business are located is not far from the lake. Im definitely no expert on sound travel but I was thinking that if the noise was from a building near Lake Ontario wouldn’t the open water affect the distance the sound travelled so it would be possible to hear it in Hamilton?
I’m the individual who drove out to find the source of the noise. I should clarify that the clip of mine you’ve got posted was not taken at the gates of Gerdau, but from the open field across the railway tracks about 5 or 6 hundred metres to the north. I did drive up to main entrance of the steel mill and got out of the car to hear the noise at it’s loudest but I didn’t have time to stay long as I had some incoming transport trucks coming my way down Hopkins Street to the plant.
I can’t speak about any other strange noises people have been hearing elsewhere, but the sound heard in Oshawa and Whitby on the morning of the 23rd were definitely coming from the Gerdau plant itself or a building immediately adjacent to it.
Thank cashcleaner.
I’m sorry but I don’t buy this. For starters, I heard the noise myself from a location very close to Gerdau (less than a km). The sound was loud and could be heard over the traffic on the 401, but it was not overwhelmingly loud. How could it be possible for the sound to be heard in north and east Oshawa from a plant so far away?
You guys have repeated the exact same thing on multiple sites. Copy and pasted. Here, the durham radio site, and at least 1 youtube video. Anyone else noticing this?
Hi Keith, can you explain what you mean here.
this is my brothers footage recorded in Oshawa, Ontario
I was delivering newspapers in Whitby at 4:00am, these video’s are not fakes! I listened to this sound for at least one hour with my wife. I have never heard anything like it before!
I don’t think it’s fake. I just wonder if there’s a rational explanation.
I just realized something and then it all just clicked. The climate is changing and the entire earth is trying to balance itself out. However this climate change occurs, being by human or nature (poles don’t count because on the subatomic level that the poles function on don’t effect the massive atoms in the air to a large degree), maybe the atmosphere itself is moving and shifting. Most of these noises are coming from colder regions that are experiencing a warming and there is this massive movement of air from one position to another. Maybe these noises are just the earth shifting its belt line around. This simple and non sexy explanation seems to make the most sense and explains a lot of things. There are exceptions of course.
Now for my interesting theory about the poles. Earths pole shift means nothing to the climate and radiation will not effect the climate to a large degree, heat will. We are too pre occupied with how the earths poles will shift, it doesn’t matter because on the micro and macro scale atoms on this planet are just too big to be greatly affected by such a comparatively weak force. HOWEVER, there is this big giant hot ball of heat and magnetism and gravity and radiation and well, everything, very very close to us. A bad day for it is a bad million years for us. It’s heating up as and changing constantly. Those are the poles you should really be afraid of. It will only take one concentrated constant blast from the sun and our poles, and us, will be stripped and dead, but that’s life in the universe.
Hi starfox. Thanks for your input. It reminded me of a theory that I heard about the whole pole shift idea. From what I can remember off the top of my head, it sums up as follows: The magnetic field of the earth has been getting weaker the last 1000 years. It is the magnetic field that keeps the earth’s crust stable and in its position. If the magnetic field of the earth were to destabilize, and supposedly there’s suppressed evidence of that occurring at the south pole where the magnetic field lines go out from the pole then loop back, withouth going all the way to the nroth pole. This is what occurs right before a magnetic pole reversal. The sun reverses its magnetic poles every 11 years I believe. so, when the magnetic field gets weak, then there will come a time when the magnetic field will null and then reversal will begin, where the south is now the north and the north is now the south. The earth’s crust is held onto the molten center by the mantle like glue, but when the magnetic field is suddenly void, or even in certain areas, then the glue will “melt”, eventually leading to a crust that can move. The earth is “lopsided” weight-wise, so when the crust becomes moveable, then a shift will occur where the ground will actually move to a new location until the equilibrium is reached. Perhaps only a few degrees until the stability is reached again. Then the magnetic field returns in a reversed state, and people are now in a different location on the earth. These scientists predict the new north pole will move part way into Siberia. The mayans say once everything starts moving (at a few kms per hour) just hold still, don’t panic, it will all be over in a few days. But….. this may be the start of the next ice age, as we are due for one any time.
Came across this page earlier, some interesting discussions, facts and points made I thought,…. thought you may be interested
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread678017/pg1
Interesting that it continues. Keep it up!
I live in the Country on an acreage 45 min South East of Ottawa. South of the Small town of
Embrun. My wife and I heard this sound a couple evenings back right in our living room. I thought it was trucks on the road using their airbrakes or something, but my wife said it wasn’t that. There are no industrial plants or anything where we live.
This is what commenters seem to say. What do you think of the idea that it was a steel factory or oxygen manufacturer? What do you think of cashcleaner’s video?
Industrial sounds, in an industrial area…. imagine that. (eye roll).
This particular sound could be tracked by direction. Several individuals pinpointed it coming from the southwest of Oshawa, which is where Whitby is (gosh, I haven’t been up that area in a while). It wasn’t multi-directional. It began and stopped abruptly. The police collaborate the plant story. Until there is proof otherwise – I’d be more willing to believe *that explanation, since, ya know, it’s logical.
Yes it probably is industrial sound. I welcome your skepticism, keep it coming. The facts stand though. Retracted news statement, locals vehemently not buying it, supposedly heard a very long distance and it sounds exactly like Sweden and Malaysia, the later being taken seriously by government.
I like your theory about the virus of mass suggestion. Perhaps, but it doesn’t explain my archives from before the net interest exploded. I archived the Swedish one in November and put two and two together.
I think the reason why people aren’t buying the explanation is because they are using the argument from ignorance. They’ve never heard the sound before, therefore it must be something exotic or “supernatural”.
The reason why the sound was never heard before is because the Air Products plant is new and probably never had a breakdown like this before. Yes, it was a strange sound, and yes, people in the area have never heard it before. But whatever the cause or whatever the reason, it was still coming from one of the buildings on site or immediately adjacent to the Gerdau property.
There are loads of strange sounds being recorded all over the world. While I’m sure the majority could be easily explained, I’ll acknowledge that some also defy explanation. But what happened in Oshawa and Whitby, while very strange and very real, is still a result of an industrial malfunction.
Soo…..has anyone called the local police department and *asked* them? Eh? I don’t live in Canada otherwise I’d be all over that.
“Perhaps, but it doesn’t explain my archives from before the net interest exploded.”
If you search the internet for the goofiest thing you can think of, chances are – you’ll find entries for it. All it takes is a couple people to take notice, and then it explodes. I think this is illustrated by the vast number of videos that have been exposed as hoaxes by either the people who made them, or others.
I hear “strange sounds” all the time – and 99.9% of the time there is an explanation. Don’t get me wrong, I’m well aware the earth and sky are vocal, and it is very possible to record them, but this entire youtube thing is totally off….and absolutely contained in the paranormal/esoteric/conspiracy theory/UFO, crowd save for a couple of incidents which are not unheard of. Bizarre sounds right before a volcano eruption? I’ll bet there were! That’s not supernatural.
I’m so tempted to go outside right now and record the sound of the idling UPS truck in front of my house. It sounds EXACTLY like many of the others, *and* it’s rattling the windows and picture frames. He’s been sitting there for about 20 minutes. He damn well better be delivering the package I ordered……
One more thing; let’s pretend for one second that all this IS something supernatural: it really, REALLY doesn’t like Canada……
Actually, if these noise are real I doubt they are supernatural. They are strange sounds though. The only one I believe 100 percent without a doubt are “sky roars” or constant jet sounds that last hours. There’s historical precedent and are certainly natural. The rest I have no idea.
I will disagree dear Cashcleaner (do you clean credit too? cause there is no cash lately over here..)
I’m using the argument of knowing what a relief valve is and how it sounds. And it doesn’t sound like this nor behaves in such a way.
If you live in that area and you are 100% sure that this was an industrial malfunction that comes from the specific factory then you better research it a bit more cause if that was a malfunction then it was something more serious that what you were told and may have implications in the area.
Don’t know if you’re familiar with factories but if the sound was so loud that it could be heard for miles, then inside the factory if wouldn’t be bearable and their control board would have be lit up like a xmas tree.
In such cases the first thing you do is to press the red button and stop everything before something really bad happens.
It makes no sense to keep this malfunctioning thing running for hours. It’s not a matter of recognizing the sound or not, if it’s loud and out of the ordinary it’s bad and you stop it.
Dear Anne it is a different think to be a skeptic and different think to be a non-believer.
In some previous comments you were a skeptic, in this comment you are a non-believer just for the shake of non-believing
By the way, what does it mean that the sound is directional? All sounds are directional in the sense that they come from some source. Thunders that come from the sky are directional too, aren’t they?
No sound is multi-directional unless there are objects around to reflect it so that you have many echoes. Or if you have many sources off course but in that case you will probably have more than one sounds.
And no matter what the police did, a valve is not a logical explanation. Not logical at all. It would be better if they were saying that it was some problem with the factory there without mentioning the valve. The valve makes the explanation unreliable.
I’ll buy a faulty turbine or a faulty generator, or a faulty rotating anything, but not a valve unless you know a system that need stabilization every 10 seconds in order to operate and you can fix it without shutting it down (provided that it didn’t explode in the first place after several hours of faulty and critically stable operation).
I have no reason to believe something until I have the hard core evidence to back it up. Do I believe these people heard something? Yes. It’s obvious. Do I believe it was from the sky? No – not at this time because there are other far more reasonable explanations to consider first.
You’ll notice one of the calling cards of this whole thing is that people claim they hear “the sound” (a term which has begun to grate on my nerves since it was never ONE sound) coming from everywhere. Multi-directional. That was supposed to be one of the things that made it stand out. But, those reports are inconsistent amongst individuals. THIS one, was pinpointed to a specific area, which would make sense if it was coming *from something rather than the earth or sky. See what I’m saying?
I don’t know what a valve sounds like specifically, but I ‘m familiar with factory noises. We have things blow at the place near us several times a year. Sometimes it takes them a few minutes to fix, and sometimes it takes hours. Depends on what it is. Early morning, as in this instance, usually takes the longest.
Well i’m not saying it was from the sky, i’m saying it was not a valve and the fact that they came up with this story makes the whole thing a bit strange.
But since you mention hard evidence, what would be a hard evidence for you for a sky sound?
And have you ever heard such a sound like the one in the videos from the industrial area you live close by? Was it periodic?
“But since you mention hard evidence, what would be a hard evidence for you for a sky sound?”
Ultimately, all reasonable explanations must be ruled out completely by individuals who deal in such areas on a regular basis (experts, scientists). I’m not going to trust random internet people. That, or I hear it myself.
“And have you ever heard such a sound like the one in the videos from the industrial area you live close by? Was it periodic?”
Actually, ‘whirring’ is the most common thing to come out of the factories around here. Even when something isn’t broken, there’s always constant noise, though far less audible than when there’s a problem.
Well, Panos, do you want me to dredge out my work history? 5 years warehousing and another 5 in metal casting. I don’t hear people asking twenty question to those suggesting it was anything but a valve or turbine. Why is it that I’m getting such treatment for having the most straight-forward answer?
You want to know what I did tonight (Jan 26th at 11:30om) that I bet NOBODY here did?! I actually went down to the property tonight again looking for big industrial gas cylinders. Even drove my car through their south gate and pulled a U-Turn. Guess what I saw? A whole bunch of big industrial gas cylinders. And not the one you see at gas stations filled with propane, BIG industrial gas cylinders. And the whole facility looked rather new to me – much more than the mill and Ball Packaging plant next door.
If you like, I will even take you there myself this weekend. Or you can go yourself. Or you can sit around and continue to speculate and cast doubt.
Why doesn’t someone just ask the steel factory and/or oxygen manufacturer (like, someone who might have been working there at the time)?
in comments at Durham Radio someone says they worked there and it was a valve. See this is the hard part about this. You get people claiming stuff for whatever reason. Then you have people saying the opposite. That’s the purpose of this site in part, to look at the evidence and I have learned that people will say all sorts of things that aren’t true. Take Conklin for example. It is 100 percent a copy of the Kiev sound yet we have a commenter that claims to live in a teepee nearby! Swears they heard it, etc. Lots of people claim in comments to have heard Conklin. That’s just BS. Sheilaaliens proved it wasn’t real at all. Anne (above) says police confirmed the story. I need a statement linking to that. also with the hysteria over the sounds it would be wise for authorities to dismiss it. Yes I would like to hear an official statement from the company too….since there are lots of people wondering. still…it sounds exactly like other recent sounds and that’s what interests me. That’s it, just the similarity and timing. If we didnt have Malaysia and Sweden I would dismiss this pronto (I swear).
Oh, I agree (I was going to make a caveat to that effect in my original post), I guess I was wondering why there hasn’t been an “official statement” (which, for all intents and purposes, could be BS too…ah, the rabbit hole!). It is strange that this has never been heard before (I wonder how long that mill has been around?).
I guess the best and most definitive proof would be to have the factory people just reproduce it. As in, gather some witnesses/the press and do whatever it was they supposedly did (valve release, or whatever) to produce the sound. That is, if it is in fact a somewhat “safe” and routine procedure.
Recent sounds from North Battleford, Saskatoon reported by CTV news with video.
So why have we not heard these noises ever before?
Is this due to the planetary alignment which we have never experienced before and
the magnetic changes that will occur due to this at the end of the year?
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Saskatoon/20120124/sas-noisesnorth-120124/
“Is this due to the planetary alignment which we have never experienced before and
the magnetic changes that will occur due to this at the end of the year?”
PER NASA: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html
Q: Could phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?
A: There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence.
Geomagnetic changes: http://www.universetoday.com/18977/2012-no-geomagnetic-reversal/
This sound thing started out as a curiosity for me when I came across it by accident – since NO ONE I know has heard a damn thing, thus aren’t discussing it, and its quickly starting to piss me off – the way people simply accept the speculations of others as fact. Thank god my kids are too young to be using the internet. I’m sooooo sick of the 2012 crap and it’s only January! The Maya are still confused as to what the hell everyone is so up in arms about. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33261483/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/even-maya-are-getting-sick-hype
Well, here on Vancouver Island sounds like that were heard yesterday as well as a shaking which wasn’t an earthquake:
http://www.cfax1070.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4693%3Aresidents-from-sooke-to-view-royal-report-puzzling-tremors&catid=45%3Amainlocal-news&Itemid=155
Well to me it doesn’t look like a valve. Relief valves usually produce high pitch continuous sounds, not low frequency periodic ones. That’s why they call them “Relief”, because they work when pressure is high, higher than the normal. And only when needed, not continuously (then you need to shut the thing down cause it is obviously unstable)
If it was some other industrial thing i would have given it more thought but a valve not.
Even if it was something else, it should have been something moving in a periodic way (probably rotating) and i can’t imagine any factory that would leave something so problematic go on for so long without at least stopping it for repairs.
In fact the duration of the sound points to the other direction, that it was not something faulty that was fixed (i mean how do you fix something without stopping it first?).
Sorry guys but this valve story is probably a cover up of something else. The sounds are genuine, if they were not from the sky then they were from some place that people should not know about.
Not necessarily something weird, may be even something that the company/factory that has the problem wants to hide for whatever reason.
I agree, doesn’t sound at all like a relief valve…wouldn’t it be constant? My guess is that Durham radio changed the statement because the factories said it ain’t us.
I can’t tell why they changed the statement but probably someone told them to do so.
It is very possible that the sound was from something bad that happened in the factories over there. Someone said something about a nuclear plant being there too, don’t know if there is one or if the sound was from that direction but it would be a good reason to try to hide a problem. And nuclear plants you can’t shut down so it can be that something was going wrong and they had to cope with it while being in operation.
If it is from a normal factory i seriously doubt that they would have left it working for so long.
The only sure thing is that it is not a valve and that someone tried initially to cover the story in a very stupid way with this valve theory.
Till these videos i was about to believe that the whole thing was probably over-examined since most videos seem to be fakes and copies of 1-2 original sounds that may be not that important.
I mean that the increased frequency is what makes the phenomenon interesting, and if that increase is fake then it is hardly something worth checking (well 1-2 event around the globe can be anything)
But these videos and the valve story make me wonder if we’re really in front of something unusual.
What say you to the expert opinion at the end of the post. Seems like his explanation which uses the term “somehow” is right up your alley.
What expert explanation? About the antenna?
BS… total BS.. this thing is impossible.. there is no “somehow” there is just “no way”…
If the sound is EM (that seems to be the case for most sounds) it is not from an antenna.
It’s either a synthetic sound (that means a fake one) or something coming from the upper atmosphere.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/01/120124-solar-storm-geomagnetic-auroras-flights-sun-earth-space-science/
coincidence?
I’m from Toronto originally. I’d debunk the reports of this being heard in Hamilton if it did originate in Oshawa, and debunk it being heard there altogether. “The Golden Horseshoe” is one of the most densely populated areas in North America; Oshawa on the eastern end, and Hamilton on the other. In between are a few cities, chiefly Toronto, Canada’s biggest city. And thus several million pairs of ears. And the only places this was heard was Oshawa and Hamilton? No reports from Scarborough, or Pickering? What about the same distance east of Oshawa, like Cobourg? No, I don’t buy that at all.
Well Jay this one is for you…
I knew that the aurora produces low frequency radio waves that we can record.. in fact you can listen to them in this nice video.
But while researching the topic just for the fun of it I found a very interesting resent research work for the university of Finland about AUDIBLE sounds of the aurora. And guess what.. these sounds are:
“Aurora related sounds have usually been described as faint hissing, swishing, rustling or
crackling, i.e. the descriptions have been onomatopoetic. Often the sounds have been
compared to some well-known sound source. E.g. characterizations such as “swishing of
silk” [9], “wrinkling of aluminium foil” and “rippling of a distant river or waterfall” [13]
have been used. Though the range of different descriptions is wide, they have often been
very similar in terms of the nature of the sound. About 38% of the observations gathered by
Silverman and Tuan [62] fell into the category of hissing and swishing, 30% into rustling
and crackling, and the remaining 32% to the other types of sounds”
Here’s the paper, have fun: http://lib.tkk.fi/Dipl/2005/urn007898.pdf
makes perfect sense!! hissy whistlers, love it!!!
Thank you so much for reporting on this and for opening up an intelligent discussion! I have to admit a whole lot of ignorance about sky sounds up until this week and this occurrence in my home town, but explainable or not – it all brought me here to your website and now I’m very intrigued.
I personally tend to think they’re probably natural atmospheric sounds that we just haven’t bothered to explain away with science yet…it’s a little coincidental that this Oshawa event happened at the same time as the solar flare-up…
I’m open to hearing a perfectly usual explanation – but I’m also open to tending to believe something’s fishy here…
***PLEASE READ*** – Hi everyone. I would have thought these noises were fake had I not heard them for myself the other night in North Battleford, Saskatchewan. The noises are just so unbelievable, it sounds like something you’d hear on a horror movie and not in real life, but I did hear them! I have no idea what it was. It was heard all throughout the city and even 20 mins out of town. I’m not sure if this is true or if people are just trying to go along with what is being said. I have friends who live in Battleford, which is 7 mins away from North Battleford, and they said they heard it. I’d like to believe they are being truthful lol, but who knows? All I know is that at 11:30pm on January 22nd, a creepy LOUD shrilling trumpet-ish sounding noise was heard by myself, my dad, uncle and a number of other people in the city. I’m not saying people have to believe this… for all I know it could have been some super loud creepy trumpet being played or could have some environmental explanation. For those who haven’t heard it, I do understand why you would be skeptical, it sounds really fake but believe me, it’s a real noise. Now why would you believe some random girl from North Battleford, Saskatchewan? Well, you don’t have to. All I’m asking is that you open your minds and not bash the people who have posted videos or have claimed to have heard it because chances are, they did. There is a LOT in this world that we don’t know about, so give us the benefit of the doubt. Again, this noise could be something totally normal… however, I have never heard anything like this before in my 25 years. I hope you hear it for yourselves someday, it’s actually quite fascinating. Creepy as shit, but neat. Before I end this super long message, I did look through youtube videos regarding these noises and some I believe are fake… because they sounded nothing like what I heard, but I believe (because I have witnessed it for myself) that some are real. Thanks for your time
… ALSO, there is no big factory here that could have been making this noise… I don’t think anyway. Cheers! 
hi jessica! maybe u can point out which videos in particular sounded most like the sounds that u heard?
Certainly! If you look up “Strange sounds North Battleford SK” on youtube, it’s from my town and it’s EXACTLY what I heard. The people who filmed this live across from Holy Family school which is far from where I live and the sounds for them are just as loud as they were for me. Also look up “Strange sounds “Strange sounds 2012 manitoba canada (the pas)”. This is one of my favourites because it is so eerie and shows just how loud and creepy the sounds were! There are some videos I find totally fake, for example the one from Conklin, Alberta… there is something about that video that seems off to me. Enjoy! Let me know what you think!
Do you remember this video?
Look what the uploader added to the end:
“the original video is gone , they came and.took it , gave me my laptop back last week !
They came back and told me there was road work in the City ! i can still hear the sound , and for some reason it sounds a little different on video ! The crazy thing was that when it was happening my head started spinning almost like i was drunk ! Peace !”
Who is “they” and why would “they” do that. Basically the government isn’t interested in someone posting a YT video of a sound. Makes no sense. The earthquake was felt by everyone and it could be related so why would anyone care. I find this video questionable because of his timing. This guy is trying to get hits. if they took his laptop it wasnt for YT vid.
Jay man, are you the person who accepts or denies comments?
Is there a problem?
Oops, ignore my comment! I was just going to ask why my earlier comment was accepted, but it was
sorry and thanks!
I approve the first comment to protect the site from trolls. then you can say what you want.
Makes sense, sorry. I’m new to commenting on blogs lol. Have you heard the sound for yourself?
wasn’t*
I heard this sound myself while working in the Thickson and Champlain area of Whitby. I was outside having a smoke at the time mentioned by many others and who recorded the sound on Y/T videos. I thought to myself, “what on earth is that strange sound”. It could be heard over the traffic on the 401, but it wasn’t so loud that it was startling. Even though I thought it was very odd, I never bothered to think too much about it and UNTIL I started to see that others had heard it, recorded it and the sound was the same. The fact that this sound was heard all over Oshawa in the north and the east, where the sound was heard equally loud, doesn’t make it seem possible it was coming from Gerdau. Also, there is no APCL plant located in that area.
You’re right. It was PRAXAIR.
Not APCL.
PRAXAIR.
Furthermore and since this story seems to be generating a lot of interest and questions, why hasn’t Gerdau come out with an official statement saying what the problem was, if it was indeed Gerdau? There has been nothing in the papers, nothing on the internet (from Gerdau) and only one person who “claims” that they drove up to the plant and heard it.
I’m sure this is all just viral marketing for a sci-fi movie coming up soon, much like nohopeleft was marketing for Resident Evil 6.
I’ve already considered that, and if it truly is the case, I hope whatever studio is involved with it will go bankrupt and all its executives will die of hunger on the streets.
i thought so too but what of the comments by people who say they hear the same thing, and also of 911 hotlines being bombarded as we see in some youtube news reports, and even of the malaysian government reporting that it is investigating the sounds after the samarahan incident? hmmm… but if it really all points to a movie, it better be a good movie lol
I don’t want to sound like a member of the Church of Alex Jones, but the description being changed strikes me as reeking of fish. Under normal circumstances, the media will want to put forward the most down-to-earth, rational explanation they can so as to avoid panicking the public, and that goes double if there REALLY is something fishy going on (so as to pull the wool over our eyes). This about-face is bizarre to me. Now I’m not going on record saying “It’s aliens” or “It’s humans”, but what with the theories put forward by that Jones guy as to the government wanting to unleash SOMETHING at the end of december 2012 (like a fake alien invasion via holograms and the government will “rescue” us, after which we’ll be at their beck and call and won’t question any of their decisions), this stinks of drumming up a rising climate of anxiety that SOMETHING is out there, and far worse, out to get us. Thoughts?
i think they’d rather have ppl thinking about doomsday rather than have them believe they’re living near an unpredictable gas plant that’s so out of control that it gives off unexplainable noises like it’s about to explode.. not so good for worker morale and residents’ happiness? hehe.. just a guess..
Is it possible we are hearing a pulsar?
No…
So because so few want to accept my simple explanation, I went down to the property again tonight. Nothing to indicate gas products on site at the front gate. Nothing from the eastern boundary. As for the south gate? A new-looking gas facility with multiple BIG cylinders set up in towers.
But by all means, if you still don’t believe me, go take a look yourself. Take Thickson south down to Wentworth, turn right and continue on through the gate. The gas facility is to your right just over a small berm.
How about taking a picture and showing us.
I mean video tape the cylinders and post them to YT.
Already ahead of you!
good video
i live in oshawa as well, and possibly will be able to get some good close up pics of the air tanks to look for damage.. since the media/any offical channels are not seeing this as an issue, anonomyous will have to do the lag work
don’t these factories have security guards? nobody to verify if the sounds indeed came from the gas plants and why the gas plants were emitting such noise? hehe just wondering, where is the accountability.. i would be worried if i was living near a gas plant that seems so cranky..
I am not questioning that there might be a gas plant down by Gerdau, although, I’ve never heard of it. I did a search for Praxair and there is no company by that name listed in Whitby. The only company that does come up is Boc Gases located at 1111 Burns St E in Whitby. It’s north and a bit west of Gerdau and it’s not even a plant.
Until there is an official statement published in the news as to what caused this and if it was one of the plants responsible for the noise, I’m reluctant to accept the answer given by one person driving around in a car doing some private investigating.
There has been quite a lot of interest in this and enough people heard it that something should be said by some OFFICIAL, sometime soon. And I still find it hard to believe that the sound was heard so far and wide.
So even though I’ve got a video tape, that’s still not good enough for you? You’re a bit leery over the authenticity, right? I mean, sure they look like gas cylinders, and even have PRAXAIR on them, but really, they could be anything, right?
I’m gonna let you in on a secret. You don’t want to know the truth of any of this. You want an explanation that fits your world view. You say that you’re waiting for an official explanation, but who are you kidding? It will all be part of some cover-up, right? You know that what I’m saying is true.
I’m gonna let you in on another secret. You’re not helping things when you create extraordinary conclusions for ordinary events. There ARE many strange and interesting things going on in the world that science can’t yet explain. Perhaps it never will. But you do a great disservice to the people who do believe there might be a genuine phenomenon happening throughout the world and are intent to study it when you dig your heels in and deny the more plausible answers.
The people who do that often believe they are trying to enlighten the rest of us (though more often it’s to feel intellectually superior to the rest of us “sheeple” in the herd as they like to say), but they are doing the opposite. They are the fearmongers and ignoramuses of our world.
Every shadow becomes a ghost for them.
Every light in the sky is a alien spacecraft.
And while they blanket the rest of us with lies and inaccuracies, the real honest-to-goodness strange happenings that make this world so incredibly interesting to live in are ignored and forgotten. I have no doubt in my mind that there are weird sounds happening over the world. I also have no doubt that the majority are likely to be caused by rather mundane circumstances. Some that I have heard completely baffle me. I believe the sound in Oshawa and Whitby that we heard – more specifically that I heard less than a kilometre away – are the result of something happening on the Gerdau property.
Use your head. Use the reason and logic that makes us stand out.
http://homepages.tesco.net/~John.Dawes2/page1.htm
she did some extreme diggin on the issue
.. lmao, the further u dig, the deeper the rabit hole goes
… i feel like im on acid
Now she is doing some healthy thinking.. she has one possible cause for the sounds, not sure though about what causes the increased EM activity.
I never understood by the way why everyone jumps to the conclusion that HAARP is bad.
HAARP is an ELF system. Their main and first purpose was communication with submarines. That is what ELF systems do and that is the one and only definite purpose they have.
On the other hand, we know that ELF can effect our mood so yes it is possible to use such a system for mass mind control but you need more than just an ELF pulse to the ionosphere for that. You need something close to the ground that would somehow focus the energy returning from the ionosphere to a specific location.
Same for quakes. Recent studies prove that there is a connection between quakes and Ion/electron flux from the Ionosphere. But this is too general for suggesting that a disturbance over there can cause a quake in some place. You need a way to target this and this is not at all easy.
And even if you can focus it, still the mechanism of quakes is not understood in order to make such a claim (not to mention that plate tectonics probably would have to be thrown to the garbage in case quakes have an EM source)
On the other hand, if we assume that HAARP is a weapon then why neglect completely that weapons are not just offensive but also (and actually mostly) defensive.
So if something can create a quake then it can also prevent one. Or is something can create an EM disturbance it can also be used to prevent or compensate one.
Why no one thinks the possibility that if we know that say, a solar storm can cause problems to us, we are not using HAARP to cancel out that effect or at least prepare our Ionosphere for the coming pressure?
Would we know about that? Well most probably not..
Just a though again.
“Every shadow becomes a ghost for them. Every light in the sky is a alien spacecraft.”
And such is the way it will always, always be, sadly. There really is no use in arguing, or even attempting healthy debate. It won’t change anything.
As an aside, us Americans are flattered to know the world thinks our government is trying to control their minds (since SO MANY people are blaming HAARP). Those old men can’t stay awake during a 60 minute State of the Union address, but by god they’re gonna get into your brains! Bwahahaha!
Who said it’s those useless fossils in Congress? No m’dear, you’re thinking of the lizardmen hiding beneath the White House. You should know that by now.
This was a reply to Anne’s latest post. Reply system is derping out on me.
@Cashcleaner
“Well, Panos, do you want me to dredge out my work history? 5 years warehousing and another 5 in metal casting. I don’t hear people asking twenty question to those suggesting it was anything but a valve or turbine. Why is it that I’m getting such treatment for having the most straight-forward answer?”
Mate take it easy, i just made some fun with your nickname, didn’t mean to insult you. It’s a thing called humor, you know..
Now since you like work histories, I have more than 20 years of engineering studies and working experience as an Electrical & Electronics Engineer with an M.Sc. in Control Systems.
Is that enough for you in order to know what a valve is, how it operates and how it sounds?
I’m telling you it’s not a valve and the fact that they came up with such a story (that they canceled afterwards) should make you more suspicious about the cause of the sound.
Off course may be from the plant, but if that’s the case it is not a valve but something else that it seems that they don’t want you to know about. That’s all.
You live there mate, you should be alerted, i live half the way across the world, we have sunshine here, no sounds and no worries..
completely agree with this, wonder why nobody thought this way too.. are you guys not worried that a gas plant near you is making weird noises? more worrying than any silly doomsday stuff i would say hehe… make sure the corporations with factories near u account for everything! peace
But you still didn’t answer my question. Why is my account being taken for granted? I know the answer, but I’d like to hear it truthfully from others.
Hey! I’m all for the theory that some sort of dangerous chemical was released! I’ll concede the the possibility of anything sinister or untoward. Let’s go full-out and say ET was stopping for some fuel and ended up with some vapour lock. I’m down with that. But we have to understand that whatever the sound was, it wasn’t coming from “all around us” but most definitely from somewhere – likely the gas facility – on the Gerdau property.
Why your account is being taken for granted or not being taken for granted?
My answer is that i take no ones account for granted, not even mine cause my interpretation of things is based on my knowledge and my beliefs so it is biased.
You say you went there and you think the sound comes from the plant. I have no reason to doubt you and i don’t.
Others say it is impossible, i don’t have a reason to doubt them either.
What i do is to collect all opinions, process them and draw my own conclusions. Possibly through an idea or two so that others take it into account. That’s how things work, for me at least.
What i really doubt about is that this sound comes from a valve. That i doubt. And you should doubt about it too i believe, especially since you live close there.
But that’s your problem, not mine mate. If you’re comfortable with the valve explanation my opinion and the opinion of others makes no difference.
I live in Sooke, BC & yesterday January 24,2012 i thought (also many people felt & heard them) at 10:45am and again at 2:00pm. I would compare the sound/rumble to size 5 or 6 earthquakes but only lasting 10 seconds or less each.
It was very strange to learn that they weren’t earthquakes – it didn’t sound or feel like anything other than an earthquake.
Here’s the article in the local paper
http://www.timescolonist.com/touch/story.html?id=6052624
Some media reporters are now saying they tracked down a blasting site in Squim Washington that is believed to be the cause but I don’t buy that!
Interesting to have experienced something that no one knows what it was!
I’m beyond curious! So many people felt it even in Abbotsford BC…. Makes you wonder how those of us will react when an earthquake does occur because we’ll think “oh here is that mystery rumble again.” lol literally everyone thought we had two big earthquakes!
@Annie
“Ultimately, all reasonable explanations must be ruled out completely by individuals who deal in such areas on a regular basis (experts, scientists). I’m not going to trust random internet people. That, or I hear it myself.”
A sky sound, although unusual, is more reasonable to me than a valve but the important thing in your comment is something else i’d like to comment about..
Knowledge my dear is not a matter of trust but a matter of reason.And reason is something you were born with and you can evolve as you grow.
Are you looking for learning what’s going on or for an answer that will make you feel comfortable?
Being a skeptic means that you first have to question your own beliefs and ideas before moving to those of others. Mean also that you should question the consensus before you question the alternative. Means also that you’re not looking for comfort but for answers that make sense.
Those people claiming they are skeptics but waste their time questioning others while believing they know the one and only truth are not skeptics but pseudo-skeptics and followers of a dogma.
Usually they make money out of this too. Most experts fall unfortunately in this category these days.
So sorry for being a bit negative or even hard on your comments but what we do here (and what you should expect to get) is not comfort or expert opinions. It’s dialogue and exchange of ideas and info so that each one of us reason and draw his own conclusion on the topic.
Do you want me to tell you that 99% of these info and ideas are crap? Well filtering the crap is part of the game anyway. You can’t imagine how much crap you can find in school books and academic publications too, the internet is at least something you know you should filter, but them?
We’re not fighting to push an idea or force an opinion here. At least i’m not… and i believe most people too..
@Annie – is suggest not commenting unless you’ve experienced the sounds/earthquake like rumbling yourself.
Why are you even on a website like this if you don’t believe 99% of what you’re reading or that you’d don’t believe random people online????
Excuse my typo’s typing on my iPhone
Do NOT call me “Annie”.
@Curiouscat:
I will comment on whatever the hell I feel like commenting on. That’s the beauty of being an American. I don’t HAVE to believe anything 99% to discuss it. If I have a patient who thinks themselves to be Queen of England – I don’t believe them – but I discuss it with them none the less. Get it?
@Panos:
“Knowledge my dear is not a matter of trust but a matter of reason.And reason is something you were born with and you can evolve as you grow.”
Trust no. Reason, yes. Obviously, not everyone is born with the ability to reason. If they were, the world would be at peace.
“Are you looking for learning what’s going on or for an answer that will make you feel comfortable?”
I look for the most rational of explanations FIRST, before considering other things. Like yesterday – If I were so inclined, I easily could have freaked out over the sounds of the delivery truck because I couldn’t see it until I went out and looked for the source…but that’s all it was. A truck.
“Being a skeptic means that you first have to question your own beliefs and ideas before moving to those of others. Mean also that you should question the consensus before you question the alternative. Means also that you’re not looking for comfort but for answers that make sense.”
This makes absolutely no sense what so ever. My beliefs are sound and based on my education, vast research, and personal experience. As they should be.
“Those people claiming they are skeptics but waste their time questioning others while believing they know the one and only truth are not skeptics but pseudo-skeptics and followers of a dogma.
Usually they make money out of this too. Most experts fall unfortunately in this category these days.”
ROFL! Boy I WISH I was making money off of this debate! I’d be a millionaire! If a skeptic didn’t ask questions, they’d be a pretty piss poor skeptic.
“So sorry for being a bit negative or even hard on your comments but what we do here (and what you should expect to get) is not comfort or expert opinions. It’s dialogue and exchange of ideas and info so that each one of us reason and draw his own conclusion on the topic.”
Not sure why you keep referring to ‘comfort’. If that’s all I was after, I certainly wouldn’t be discussing any of this. It seems the bulk of you don’t like *your* theories challenged…and that is something that always peaks my interest, especially as a Psychologist.
“Do you want me to tell you that 99% of these info and ideas are crap? Well filtering the crap is part of the game anyway.”
Your “crap filter” is busted, dear.
“You can’t imagine how much crap you can find in school books and academic publications too, the internet is at least something you know you should filter, but them?”
Bahahaha!!! Wow. Just….wow.
“We’re not fighting to push an idea or force an opinion here. At least i’m not… and i believe most people too..”
Um, yes you are. And not just HERE either, pretty much every other site that’s covering this, but that shouldn’t come as a surprise given their regular focus of content.
No. Being a skeptic means to approach all phenomenon logically and utilizing prior experiences and knowledge. To be a skeptic does NOT mean to question your own beliefs and ideas before moving to those of others. It is to exhaust those avenues first and foremost, THEN move onto lesser known or considered possibilities.
When a skeptic sees hooveprints in the sand, his or her first thought is “horse” not “zebra”. As a note, if this sand happens to be in Africa…well, you get the idea.
Occam’s Razor is a straight-forward method that we have honed over centuries that remains ever true to this day: The simplest explanation is the most *likeliest*.
See the asterisks? They are there for a reason, because people invariably fall back to the argument that we can’t explain EVERYTHING now can we. And they are right. We can’t. But we can make educated guesses using the aforementioned three amigos: Logic, reason, and prior knowledge.
As for the consensus, the consensus exists because prior knowledge is passed down from person to person and has been tested, re-tested, opposed, debated, possibly refined, and tested some more.
The people who can’t or refuse to think with logic, reason, and knowledge are often the ones suffering from cognitive dissonance. They like to portray skeptics as narrow-minded idiots that are afraid to alter their perceptions of the world.
This is one of the biggest lies committed in our society.
Skeptics are constantly having the beliefs changed or even outright rejected. But they only do so if a good criteria for that change has been met. I am a proud skeptic, but I also believe I have experienced what many might call and honest-to-goodness supernatural event. I still believe it to this day because the criteria for belief was met. Yet I am honest enough with myself and others to also concede that I could be DEAD WRONG on what I thought happened, and I’m nowhere near 100% certain about it. You see, that’s the thing – I think I’m right but I’m honest enough to acknowledge I don’t have a lot of evidence or that maybe the thing just didn’t happen at all. Just like in everything else I experience in this world, I see hooveprints and I think “horse”. I also happen to be the person who would track that horse down and try to figure out “what breed is it?” or, “how young is it?” or perhaps most accurately, “just what the F— is a horse doing in my backyard?!”
As I mentioned in an early post, I’ve seen quite a lot of youtube videos posted of strange noises and there are some that I have no problem admitting baffle me. There are others that can conclude with a good likelihood are the result of a more mundane occurrence.
That is it how skeptics think. And that is one opinion you can bet I will push to anyone with ears and eyes.
Well the definition of “Skeptic” is the following from the dictionary:
“One who is yet undecided as to what is true; one who is looking or inquiring for what is true; an inquirer after facts or reasons.”
It is not:
“they say it’s a valve, they are the authorities, it makes sense to me and my situation, so this is the explanation.”
This is not skepticism, it’s either following the status quo, or trying to feel comfortable.
Now the simplest explanation is not always the true one. It has to be the simplest logical explanation. And it should cover all aspects of the problem, not one case as in your case with the plant.
So by following Occam’s razor:
You have to find similar explanations for all other similar sounds. Can you?
You have also to find valves that comply with the sound. Can you?
You have to account for similar sounds in the past were there were no plants and valves to blame for them. Can you?
So what is the simplest explanation according to Occam’s razor? Something else (even sounds from the sky) even if this doesn’t make you comfortable with the answer.
Now do i accept this perfectly logical explanation? No..
Why?
a) Because i’m not sure that the other sounds are genuine. And that are that many as they seem.
b) Because even if historical entries exist, we have no clear idea if they are referring to the same sounds. And we will probably never know.
But I’m not rejecting either till we have something more conclusive in hand.
Now about the consensus you better study a bit more what our scientific consensus claims about physics, astrophysics and several other areas and we can discuss if you like if it’s logical or if it’s just very well mathematically defined BS that have no connection with nature and reality.
If you accept them without understanding them just because some expert says they are like this, then you should rethink your position on skepticism.
Now if the below statement of yours holds:
“Skeptics are constantly having the beliefs changed or even outright rejected. But they only do so if a good criteria for that change has been met. I am a proud skeptic, but I also believe I have experienced what many might call and honest-to-goodness supernatural event. I still believe it to this day because the criteria for belief was met. Yet I am honest enough with myself and others to also concede that I could be DEAD WRONG on what I thought happened, and I’m nowhere near 100% certain about it. You see, that’s the thing”
Then we’re on the same page mate, no need to argue, we’re saying the same thing.. can’t see what’s your problem with my words. Can you?
Oh I have no problem differing to your expertise if you say it’s not a valve. But in my eyes, what gives your argument anymore weight than the individual named Mike who said he worked there and said it was? Or Scott who mentioned it as well?
I don’t see why you would lie about that, but I don’t see why they would either.
I only mentioned valves and turbines because that is what was mentioned on the Durham News page. I don’t believe I ever said that was what I thought, only that it’s what I was told. If you don’t think it was a cracked valve or a turbine (or what about a pump?) than that’s fine. But understand that I’m certain beyond a reasonable doubt that the noise came from the property and that contrary to what some believe, there actually is a new gas facility there. And I think some of the confusion may be from the fact that according to the Air Product website, they have a contract to supply oxygen to the mill. That is to say in a similar manner to my employers; the people working there operate on the Gerdau site, but work for Air Products and have a supply contract.
And yes, I think it must be new because on Google Maps it isn’t on streetview, yet I obvious have photos of it from last night. That probably means it was built less than three years ago.
So yeah, let’s toss out the vavle theory anyway. I don’t have a problem if you don’t think that’s the case – but if you look at some comments, there are people outright denying any evidence I try to bring forward.
Hey guys just been reading about this and there seems to be a lot of people that don’t think these sounds are real well i have just found news feed and since some people claim there is no proper
news here is a link to what seems very very real..(obviously)
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Saskatoon/20120124/sas-noisesnorth-120124/
I am pretty sure the last time I checked CTV was pretty credible so for those of you who do not think this is real take a better look i found this under the news on google one of the first links……..this is a real event that is going on and there is a short explanation of what it may be……seems to our radio towers and picking up strange sounds…..either way I do not think this is something to worry about.
I would like you guys the spread this link around for the people who doubt these sounds are real.
I found 2 or 3 other videos of this same event if you click on the first link. One sounds very loud and the girl in the video mentioned the sky has changed a different color where the sound is coming from. A different video mentioned that it came from the southwest.
Craig Leslie, are you “cash cleaner?”
Interesting discussion.
“No. Being a skeptic means to approach all phenomenon logically and utilizing prior experiences and knowledge. To be a skeptic does NOT mean to question your own beliefs and ideas before moving to those of others. It is to exhaust those avenues first and foremost, THEN move onto lesser known or considered possibilities.”
I’m not sure what the definition of a “skeptic” is, but as a doctor/scientist, I can tell you that to be objective, you MUST question your own held dearly held beliefs. “Conventional wisdom” can be held by 99% of the population, including experts and scientists (ie life cannot exist without photosynthesis, which was taught as Gospel for years), that is completely wrong.
To approach a new phenom logically, first accept that everyone has a bias. Then lets look at what we have that is “objective.”
There are three videos from three different eye witnesses. There are also multiple other witnesses that heard a sound. We have a time frame. These are all objective observations.
We have one objective observation (thanks Panas) regarding the sound, that based on his expert opinion, this did not sound like a valve.
We also have an objective observation that the sound was coming from a factory (although this witness testimony is in dispute by another witness who says this factory is not at this location. Should be easy to clear up).
The next set of “facts” are more subjective. We have a rough area where the sound was heard, but this is more subjective, as there appears to be arguments with some of the witnesses regarding same. Also I have now read two different names for a factory with one eye witness claiming the sound came from there. I have two different statements from the news/factory in the area (first it was a valve, now no valve).
What we need is several independent observers to find this factory that Cashcleaner says exists and Brad does not. We need several photographs of equiptment, that we can then attempt to analysize as to whether or not they could make this sound (if this is possible just from looking at the equipment).
I agree that the people living in this area need to know, if this did not come from the upper atmosphere (which I personally think it did, but that’s irrelavent), what the hell is coming from that plant. I do know that I work with O tanks all the time, and I have never heard a “valve” make a sound like that either. However, my doctorate is in veterinary science/medicine, not eng
Please forgive my poor spelling. I’m also dyslexic
Cheers everyone.
Excellent points. Careful. We can’t blame or name any company regardless of the witness, let’s not forget that we have no conclusive evidence that any company was involved…and I don’t want to go there. We can only state what we know for a fact and that is based on the fact there are witnesses, comments and a news write up that was changed. We need to be clear that Cashcleaner is claiming to have heard the sound from a particular direction.
Guys there is one more thing that we need to think (especially those blaming a company and of course Jay that is our host)
Since no company issued an official report about the event taking the blame for it, there are legal implication to through around names and locations of factories blaming them about something that may not even be their responsibility.
So maybe we should stop this conversation until some statement comes, or till the event repeats in the same or some other location in order to have some more data in our hands.
Just a thought.
“So even though I’ve got a video tape, that’s still not good enough for you? You’re a bit leery over the authenticity, right? I mean, sure they look like gas cylinders, and even have PRAXAIR on them, but really, they could be anything, right?
I’m gonna let you in on a secret. You don’t want to know the truth of any of this.”
Respectfully, ALL videos, due to the high number and quality of fakes, are suspect. Please understand, I very much appreciate your involvement in this matter. However, you are saying “A is the source of the noise” and another blogger from the area is saying, no, “A” dosen’t even exist. Being offended and making assumptions about the rest of the bloggers here is not going to move things forward.
Rather, how difficult can this be to resolve?
“I am not questioning that there might be a gas plant down by Gerdau, although, I’ve never heard of it. I did a search for Praxair and there is no company by that name listed in Whitby. The only company that does come up is Boc Gases located at 1111 Burns St E in Whitby. It’s north and a bit west of Gerdau and it’s not even a plant.”-Brad
How about independent, multiple verifications of the address and rough estimate of the kind of factory in this spot that could produce this kind of noise?
“Since no company issued an official report about the event taking the blame for it, there are legal implication to through around names and locations of factories blaming them about something that may not even be their responsibility.
So maybe we should stop this conversation until some statement comes, or till the event repeats in the same or some other location in order to have some more data in our hands.
Just a thought.”- Panos
And a good one, although I’m not sure there would be any damage or legal standing for any company in this case being discussed on this blog, as no one has suffered any “harm.” I did think about how happy a company/factory might be about someone taking a lot of pictures of their workings. Perhaps not so much.
I DO think we’ve got a piece of evidence that is extremely intriguing. It would be nice to be able to “rule in” or “rule out” a factory source.
@Craig:
This is an interesting study in communal reinforcement, isn’t it? It’s a good time to start up a tinfoil hat business.
has anyone thought of this yet.. possibly some rich (or well gear’ed) person/group MAY have seen red state and went out and bought/scavanged very very large loudspeekers and is now driving around with some odd joke in mind….
anyhoo onlyreason i mention is that (living in oshawa) i have contacted practacally every person i know that is awake @ the time in question, and I have confirmed that 6 personal and trustworthy friends heard the noise,,,,, now if people actually heard it then its REAL….. if it real, then what is the most logical answer… some idiot watched red state and decided to Troll the country side for real. givin that the gov’t and such are mute on the subject … as well as 3 days since the oshawa incident, and Still no offical word/ no buzz of any kind, just what you see in the blog’s.
still fishing for answers. 48 hours of combing the net with only a few plausable answers
No one is questioning the validity of the accounts. It’s the source that is being debated.
This one has nothing to do with Red State – the soundtrack of which was dubbed over several of the youtube videos (EASY EASY thing to do – a child could do it).
Again, have any of you who live in the area called the plant? The police? The news organizations? Mayor? Local representatives? Or do you continue to speculate amongst yourselves?
@Anne, respectfully:
“Being a skeptic means that you first have to question your own beliefs and ideas before moving to those of others. Mean also that you should question the consensus before you question the alternative. Means also that you’re not looking for comfort but for answers that make sense.”
“This makes absolutely no sense what so ever. My beliefs are sound and based on my education, vast research, and personal experience. As they should be.” Anne
Again, scientific inquiry hinges on a suspension of personal beliefs, regardless of one’s elivated regard for oneself. Objective observation and hypothesis development assume bias on the part of the observer, and take this into account through a series of mitigations/confounding controls.
For example, my personal belief is that all organic life forms are based on Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen ect. However, if I am making on objective observation (this material on the petri dish is clearly reproducing, except its iron based, not organic based), I might personally skew my results to fit my “personal beliefs.” Happens all the time, and is a major reason that science stumbles.
Happened for years with photosynthesis, until deep sea vents forced us to re-write the biology books.
You MUST constantly question the consensus. Sometimes the consensus (such as the sun revolving around the earth) is wrong.
“You can’t imagine how much crap you can find in school books and academic publications too, the internet is at least something you know you should filter, but them?” -Panos
“Bahahaha!!! Wow. Just….wow.”- Anne
Respectfully, you need to bring more of a healthy skeptism to science in general, especially publications, books, and acadmenic publications. Even “Nature” has fallen victim to frauds. Ask any American Indian how accurate text books have been when they relate to their history.
Many science books still teach that there are only four dimentions; I’ve read countless academic publications that were poorly sourced, poorly cited, and repeated common notions supported by little more then “personal experience.”
The fact that you are so sure that your beliefs are sound again begs the question, why are you here? Of course you can be, but if you are so sure that you are 100% correct in your “vast research” and “personal experience,” I’m curious as to why you would waste your time with those of us who aren’t so sure we know that mankind, with his cerebrial organic limitations, has this game all figured out.
“We’re not fighting to push an idea or force an opinion here. At least i’m not… and i believe most people too..”- Panos
“Um, yes you are. And not just HERE either, pretty much every other site that’s covering this, but that shouldn’t come as a surprise given their regular focus of content.” Anne
Um, no he’s not. At least, I haven’t read anything that would lead me to that conclusion. You are using a logical fallicy at this point. We are trying to apply objective analysis of a phenom that at this point, could represent a fair number of possibilities. Why don’t you contribute something postive to the discussion.
http://homepages.tesco.net/~John.Dawes2/page1.htm
Very interesting read.
I’m not a human biologist,, but there could be something to this… most all the videos seem suspicious,, if they were fakes, and real people heard a real sound.. it COULD be entirely possible that the videos are allll fake internet trolls picking up on real accounts of this “sound” and further trolling..
in point. people really heard this, and the videos are sketchy(unbeleveable)
so i contest that our increasing power grid my have an affect on humans, it IS janurary in Canada ,, guys its fucking cold up here, power grids are working over time, if there were to be a side effect, now is a good a time as any for it to show
Hey…at first I was terrified with this video…but then something clicked….I live in Edmonton, AB where some of these sounds have been either hoaxed or actually heard by friends of ours and captured on video….I feel there might be some sort of connection to something that happen to me…
I live on the south end of the city on a tenth floor apartment looking south when one day last summer (approx July) I heard a loud ‘wooshing’ sound very similar to this one, loud enough for me to think it was the buildings next door…. since I live so far up, I was curious to locate the source with my binoculars….it took some searching but I noticed a weird spurt of gas like substance shoot up into the horizon in time with the sound. It was spurting at the exact same rhythm that this sound is occurring at, and sounded very,very similar to what the original video had at 4:22….I sort of panicked and got into the car with my roommate, we drove south to avoid the area, when we smelt gas very strong (natural gas). We would have only been about .25 of a kilometer away at the point, so very close to the source. We called 911 to get the scoop, the lady told us it was a gas explosion at the end of the pipeline that ran underneath our neighborhood (classy, I know). What the company was doing was releasing the trapped gas at regular intervals to avoid an explosion, this is why it was a very regular, almost man made tempo, on, off, on, off. It went on for about 45 minutes. There had been a power outage that had cause a build up.
Anyhow, like this one, it was a sound that I remember as seeming as if it was coming from everywhere (the sky), and if I had not had the advantage of being able to see the thing from my view, I would have been pretty sure it would have been coming from an unknown source. It was also very loud, but I was 2km away from it. It was scary enough for the families playing soccer in the field next to my house to abandon their game. Anyhow, the strongest memory I have was thinking it was a sound I never heard before, but oddly familiar in an industrial way, and like I said, it had the exact same tempo on/off that this one does. I was surprised that something that industrial could be so close to my house as there was really only a small, nondescript building that marked the pipelines existence and my fathers 35 years of knowledge about resource development working for the Albertan Government that taught me to look for the signs of underground pipelines -most people think it is just a really long, pointless green space for dogs. As for the retraction, well, maybe it is just politics and legality? You can’t say what you can’t say unless somebody comes forward. We were lucky that the company chose to acknowledged it straight away, but if the hadn’t it would still be a mystery to me….anyhow that’s my two cents on all this…good luck guys!
This is the link to the gas occurrance http://www.inews880.com/Channels/Reg/LocalNews/Story.aspx?id=1423904
@DrKt
That’s for your support mate about Anne, but she doesn’t worth the time spent on her.. trust me.. she’s just another troll that’s why i pushed her so that she comes out of her nicely crafted, “skeptical” suit.
People like Anne are what i call pseudo-skeptics.
She feels happy by proving to herself (and possibly to some others) that she is smart and can’t be fooled like the rest of us that are from a lower quality than her. Also that she knows what everybody else doesn’t know (even if she has no idea about it, knowledge is something self evident for her).
They are easy to distinguish between skeptics and normal people just searching for the truth.
They usually speak down to others, they easily resort to insults when their arguments are not accepted or there is healthy criticism on them and they always use arguments from authority along with several other logical fallacies in order to push their opinion.
She claims she studied Psychology. Well have you seen any one practicing psychology taking criticism and turning it into insults and fighting? I haven’t.
She jumps into a fight no one started. And she does that without even knowing what the other guy supports (cause i do not support something specific over here, i still have no theory of mine, just some general possible causes that i still investigate)
She also spreads rumors and fake ideas around in order to discredit those opposing to her (i.e. you do this in other places to.. where? i do not post in any other place about the sounds, i don’t even know any other place by the way.. any proof of that claim?)
People like Anne are just following a dogma. Either that dogma is called scientific consensus, either some religion, either their own personal and above criticism ideas.
They are the people believing that there is always one answer to every question. The one in the back of the book (And don’t look because this is cheating!). Or the one the authorities propose.
They feel happy by proving the obvious and not worthy of even commenting about it, while on the other side they accept extremely irrational things just because an “expert” said so.
Not worthy spending to much time with them. It’s a waste of time and effort. I have seen this type of people several times and most of them they were wanna be scientists that never made it to university. Not that making it to a university makes you somebody special but they seem to have such an impression about science and seeking the truth.
Still, thanks again for expressing yourself this way.
@Anne
You’re been exposed dear… not even smart enough to keep it low.. very disappointing..
“Still, thanks again for expressing yourself this way.”- Panos
I have no issues with healthy debate, I do become irritated over mindless insults.
No worries mate, your charactorization of “Annie” was excellent.
I’ve been researching the “Codex Gigas” for a novel I’m writing, among other Hermanutic adventures, and I’m finding that the more we “know,” the less we really know, ya know?
So away from silly trolls and back to the question at hand.
“On the other hand, we know that ELF can effect our mood so yes it is possible to use such a system for mass mind control but you need more than just an ELF pulse to the ionosphere for that. You need something close to the ground that would somehow focus the energy returning from the ionosphere to a specific location.”
Remember that yes, the govt has been attempting mind control for over half a century (LSD, hypnotics, etc), with generally abyssmal results. The organic functions of the brain, synapses, the chemical neurotransmitters; these are all so poorly understood as to make their manipulations extremely difficult. Not that “they” could have stumbled upon something by accident, or are at least attempting something new with “HAARP.” (And could someone please explain to me what the hell this is? I keep seeing references everywhere, but no clear description).
I think we should really focus on trying to rule in or rule out a factory/manmade source for this sound for several reasons. As opposed to other videos, this appears to have the most credibility (filmed by three different eye witnesses, heard by hundreds, etc).
We need to look at Cashcleaners perspective very closely. From an engineering standpoint, is it possible to analyize the audio to determine the kind of sound wave being emitted here? Can that sound wave pattern be laid against a control? IE turbine of “x” size made of “x” metal that is found in the type of plants/factories in the area make this charactoristic wave of sound?
If the answer is no, if we could rule out “known” manufacturing sources, then we could move onto analysis of earthquake or solar flare hypothesis.
No i don’t think that you can get the source of the sound by analyzing it from a video. Even if you have a very clear sound,filtered and straight from the source, you need to have a data base of sounds and some algorithm for trying to match them. Don’t think it’s possible.
What somebody can do, in fact what cashcleaner should do since he claims that he knows the source, is to go down there and ask them about the event. Or call 911 and ask them about the sound.
If the company replies that it was something from them then case closed, if not then we move on to other possibilities. It’s simple as this and makes everybody’s life easier (and we can tell for sure about an event that we know that happened, and this is a very big plus either way)
@DrKt
And something else since your an MD and you know about biology. I believe that you will find very interesting the work of Prof. of Bio-engineering, Gerald H. Pollack of the University of Washington on water.
http://faculty.washington.edu/ghp/
Check also for one of his lectures on youtube called “Fresh views from the edge of water” (i don’t want to link in here cause it’s completely out of scope)
His work shows a very strong connection between bio systems and electricity that practically rewrites biology.
This might give you also some idea on why ELF can effect us so much (his research is not on that but when you see what he proposes on bio systems and how water behaves to EM radiation you’ll see why electricity is so important to them and can effect them so much).
IMHO this guy will be one of the next Nobel prize winners. His work already moved to some industrial applications such as mobile chargers that work with water
Thanks for sharing your findings on this x-file
Great logical, balanced info.
What is the ‘origin ‘ of these strange sounds-worldwide ?
PS Nice flip flop story of the source in Oshawa….
Keep eyes ears open * *
Thank you very much
For thoroughly investigating this phenomenon.
The flip -flop story on the source is suspicious and amusing
Point being this is happening worldwide in this month of January
http://seektress.com/ssounds.htm
If it is strong solar flares as ‘big’ as 2005.
This is a new symptom by sound frequency.
Maybe radiant light particles are changing the vibration that includes sound.
Adding also, aligning galactic waves from other star systems of harmonic convergence we are coming into in our solar system.
This theory may be what’s causing our sun to react and all planETS
Still a X- file
Stay attuned * * * *
I have now found 8 videos on this event and 6 for the North Battlefield one which sounds like a trumpet.
Thanks! Can you send them.
“And something else since your an MD and you know about biology. I believe that you will find very interesting the work of Prof. of Bio-engineering, Gerald H. Pollack of the University of Washington on water”- Panos
Veterinary Doctor with a BVs/Pst doc wk in Therioendocrinology, actually. My dad’s the MD/Phd
VERY interesting web site. I started a PhD in therio (stem cell/Invitro-fertilization) and was so disillusioned/disgusted I left after the first year. The grant system is so corrupt.
“His work shows a very strong connection between bio systems and electricity that practically rewrites biology”
Which makes sense, as the underlying energy of the body is a chemical/electrical interaction. On of the drivers of organic chips instead of sillica, as these reactions can occur at such a tiny level.
But here’s the thing, this is all speculation, as to what the sounds are, or the intention behind them. IMO, a logical approach to all of these sounds shouldn’t be much more difficult then what is already occuring.
First step, separate obvious fakes from those that are less obvious/potentially credible. jayman has already done much of this for us.
The second step might involve finding someone who understands how to analysize sound. There must be some kind of way to convert these sounds into frequencies, waves and charactoristics that can be graphed.
Or could we do this ourselves? Maybe something as simple as converting the sounds for each credible instance/video/recording into a written sound pattern? Kind of like a spectrometer, or a richter scale, for a sound wave.
If we could find a charactoristic wave signature for a genuine event, along with confirming, say, a factory noise and getting a baseline for that, we could begin to build a set of controls to compare future events to.
I found a youtube link to the CTV news on the North battleford sounds. The one clip that is shown during the day is fake.
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Hey, just found your website so this info is a little outdated but it should put to rest any thoughts of a pressure release valve being the cause of the Oshawa sounds. I live in Sarnia, Ontario (I think it is roughly a few hundred miles from Oshawa) and I clearly heard the identical sound that was captured in the videos. I heard them on the same night and the same time (between 4:00-4:30AM). It seems crazy to me that someone could suggest that the sound of a release valve could be heard from that far away and I want to stress that the sound I heard was identical, not just similar to the sound captued on video in Oshawa that night. Also as a side note, for anyone who knows Sarnia, we have many chemical plants including an air products plant which are very loud, and after living here for decades I have never heard the sound I heard that night.
Thanks for this. I honestly don’t know what to think after seeing that video on the Slovenia News Channel. It showed the power plant emitting the sound. I am quite confused about this valve business since the sound was heard in many places and was the same.
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